A Reason To Quit Christianity Right Now!

When you walk away from Christianity without a good reason, you look stupid.

The trouble is, there are no good reasons to walk away from Christianity.

So you’re going to look stupid no matter what.

Let me suggest a disguise that will make your irrationality somewhat less obvious.

“Honesty”.

That’s it!

Be truthful.

Just admit that you don’t want to believe anymore.

Do you know what will happen if you do that?

The apologists will leave you alone!

If you said, “I choose to believe there is no God”…

…your Christian antagonists would vanish like a mist!

There is no argument against such bold honesty.

But you need to be sincere!

This must be your only reason for leaving.

You can’t write lists of intellectual dilemmas.

You can’t complain about the “lack of evidence” for Christian doctrine.

You can’t preach about how awful Christians behave.

You can’t ramble about the superiority of other religions.

And most importantly…

You can’t talk about morality.

As soon as you open your mouth about right and wrong…

…everyone knows that you’re lying.

(Well…not everyone. Other non-religious simpletons don’t have a clue.)

Trust me.

Everyone ELSE knows you’re lying.

And…YOU know you’re lying.

We all agree that liars are detestable so…

…be honest when you leave Christianity.

It is your God-given right to turn your back on God.

And I’ll hold the door for you!

Go!

Live life on your terms!

Just quit pretending your non-religious status is anything other than self-centeredness.

It’s not of an enlightened revelation.

It’s not of a profound concern for the betterment of mankind.

You’ve decided to worship yourself.

Admit it and you’ll earn a little respect from those of us who’ve decided differently.

55 thoughts on “A Reason To Quit Christianity Right Now!

  1. Dylan Black says:

    So, one theme commonly enters my head when I see you respond to atheists who bring up the Evil God problem. Typically, you’ll respond with the inability of an atheist to claim morality (which I agree with that premise). The atheist will typically then get distracted in trying reclaim morality under an atheist system, which is generally fun, but unhelpful.

    However, I would think that what they are trying to get at is a claim of internal inconsistency within Christianity. While I’m not a relentless follower of the blog, I haven’t seen this line of discussion. Has anyone tried pursuing this discussion previously?

    • John Branyan says:

      Yes. I’ve been discussing that with the Humanists on their blogs. For some reason, they don’t say much on my blog anymore.

      The difficulty they face is a dogmatic adherence to relativism. Their argument that Christianity is inconsistent falls flat after they assert the subjectivity of their own worldview.

      • Dylan Black says:

        I think I might be getting your line of thinking. I hear you saying that a moral relativist cannot even evaluate the internal consistency of any moral system, since he has no framework himself to evaluate morality.

        • mrsmcmommy says:

          “a moral relativist cannot evaluate the internal consistency of any [other] moral system.”

          Yes–this is the biggest reason we generally refuse to engage the Atheists about particular Christian doctrine. But, I have been willing to talk about Christian doctrine with Atheists before, so it goes a bit beyond that. (See, I don’t believe most people are TRUE moral relativists; so I’m happy to take God-given consciences as a given, without pointing out the Atheist Moral Dilemma, if the opportunity arises.) Unfortunately, with our regular players in this part of the internet, they’re not actually seeking the Truth, about anything.

          Example: for weeks, a certain Atheist brought up “Jesus of Nowhere” in every, single comment he made. He kept trying to take over the conversation and get everyone to focus on whether or not Jesus was a real, historical person. Repeatedly, we redirected him back to the original post and asked him to stay on topic, which only caused him to declare, “You have no answers! Christianity fails!” So, finally, JB wrote an entire post about Jesus being a scruffy, unremarkable guy “from nowhere.” …And what do you think the Atheist did?

          Well, he immediately dropped the one line he knew about “Jesus from Nowhere,” and started demanding answers about the Exodus from Egypt instead. Literally, he switched horses immediately, and when we asked him to stay on topic, he declared, “Christians have no answers! Christianity fails!”

          Once, JB posted a link to an animated C.S. Lewis speech; the Atheists wouldn’t even watch it.
          Several times, JB has posted about free will and Calvinism; the Atheists either kept rambling about God being horrible, because they didn’t understand the subject, or they stayed away completely.

          These aren’t intellectuals, with honest questions about Christianity, he’s dealing with. They’re bitter and confused balls of emotion who DON’T WANT Christianity to be true, so they lash out when it starts to make sense to them. It’s very difficult to have a conversation with someone who actively resists Truth at every, possible junction.

          • Dylan Black says:

            Yeah – the off topic walls of text that I’ve seen are really frustrating (and have been common for the times that I have followed the blog and seen humanist respond).

            It would be cool to have some thorough, honest, and on-topic discussions with actual dissenters about where the disagreements actually arise, rather than the windy diversions that often result.

          • John Branyan says:

            I have often dreamed of an honest conversation with actual dissenters. I have no faith that such a conversation will ever take place. I have come to believe that honest dissenters do not exist. The reasons for theism, specifically Christianity, are so thoroughly unassailable that dissenters have rational rebuttals. I am having a conversation on another blog with a guy who is LITERALLY claiming he is not intelligent because he doesn’t want to admit intelligence is evidence for God.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            Just want you to know I’ve been watching your conversation with Pastor Mike (a.k.a. KIA), and my heart goes out to you. 🙂 It’s painful when perfectly legitimate questions go unanswered because the person being asked only knows how to repeat one or two phrases when you pull his string. (“Please provide evidence of ________” and “The God of the Bible doesn’t exist.”)

            Awhile back, JB was so desperate for the dialog to go somewhere for once that he started promising fellow Theists he would pay them $20 if they could get Mike (or Ark or ANY of our usual Atheists) to answer the very question you’ve been asking about what they believe. I’m pretty sure he’d say the same thing to you now…and that his money would be completely safe. 🙂

          • John Branyan says:

            I’ll give Dylan fifty bucks if Pastor Mikey tells him what standard he uses to evaluate God’s immorality.
            …and yes, I do not expect to part with any money.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            The Pastor just quoted Dylan’s comment to YOU, from this blog, and claims it is proof that “he isn’t being honest.”

            The quote? Where Dylan repeated YOUR WORDS back to you, to make sure he understood what YOU were saying. (“I hear you saying that moral relativists cannot evaluate another worldview consistently.” Or something like that.)

            That’s why Dylan is “dishonest.” Yes, the Pastor really is infinitely dumb.

          • John Branyan says:

            I’m enjoying the exchange. Dylan is being sooooo polite that it’s annoying me. Really. His good manners are excessive.
            And Mike has yet to offer a single answer to the question that has been asked repeatedly.
            Recovery awaits….
            😂😂

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            I’ve always said, if someone can make headway where I haven’t, by being more polite than I’d ever be, then power to them!

            I’m skeptical…

            …but I’m watching. 🙂

          • John Branyan says:

            I’m still getting crap on Danica’s blog about “gratitude”. For example, look at this:

            — Gratitude can be expressed towards anything. (ie. I am grateful the sun is shining today, it has been raining for a week). We can still be grateful to Science for their advance in medicine. We can appreciate things that are “unconscious”. —

            How would you respond?

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            Yes, you CAN express gratitude in a generic sense, but it’s because you’re refusing to think about who/what you’re grateful “to.”

            Some people express gratitude directly to the sun! They’re no less crazy than whoever wrote that quote.

          • John Branyan says:

            And this:

            — Grateful, Thankful, Appreciation – Why do you think atheists can’t express these towards inanimate objects? I appreciate a walk in the woods, I’m grateful there are places like trails… luck doesn’t seem to fit. —

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            They CAN express gratitude toward inanimate objects!
            In fact, since gratitude is so “good” for us (whatever that means), I guess we SHOULD!

            I’m grateful to my heater and humidifier today…and to my water bottle, which has a lock feature that keeps my toddler from making a mess. Such a faithful little water bottle.

            Thank you, water bottle.

          • John Branyan says:

            But that same lock feature prohibits your toddler from quenching her thirst.

            Curse you, water bottle!

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            True. And my humidifier left a water stain on my wooden table last year. :/

            What a cruel existence.

          • John Branyan says:

            If I understand the atheist position, the humidifier stain is evidence of a vindictive, wrathful God.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            Yes–but a sunset is evidence of an amazing (though unintelligent) Universe…

            I’m pretty sure that’s right.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            The Atheists will REALLY achieve enlightenment once they realize they can be “grateful” even for things they DON’T like… Things like torture and suffering and death… there’s a brightside to those, too! Because you can put them in a list and try to force Christians to account for them.

            I’m grateful (generically) for all the horrible things in the world, which prove that God doesn’t exist, and that my feelings are all that really count.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            Being grateful to ourselves for being really awesome friends STILL makes more sense than being grateful to nothing, though. 🙂
            Provided free will actually exists, then that perspective holds water a liiiittle longer, before it falls apart.
            They only run into problems when they start asking where their totally awesome selves came from, and whether they’re taking credit for something they ultimately had nothing to do with…

            …but if they NEVER ask that question, and just spend their entire lives meditating on how awesome they are, no problem!

          • John Branyan says:

            It occurs to me that engaging with these kinds of questions would truly require ‘reaching out of your comfort zone’.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            Yep…
            The last thing Dylan said on Pastor Mike’s blog (that I saw) was that some may accuse him of dabbling with “semantics,” but that he genuinely wants to know what that group thinks about this stuff!

            Obviously, Dylan has been dismissed with the word “semantics” before. Just as I have been accused (by Violet) of “overthinking.” And just as others have informed me that philosophy is a “junk science.” lol.

            When you admit there’s such thing as thinking TOO MUCH, or you have to wave away entire thought-disciplines, it’s clear your belief system is a small, comfortable place.

          • John Branyan says:

            I’m still genuinely puzzled by the outrage I’ve incited by suggesting that “lucky” is a better word than “thankful”. Why do they so desperately want to express gratitude?

            I would suggest that sense of gratitude is put there by the One they should be thanking. They want to express thankfulness because it’s hardwired into their souls.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            Do you think it will be credited to them as righteousness, that they’ve used their free will to express gratitude–even though it will be credited as rebellion that they won’t acknowledge “The Giver?”

            Is Danica slightly better than those who don’t even TRY to do “loving” things? Or is she worse because she has every opportunity to discover God, and she just won’t…because she’s too busy thanking herself for nothing?

  2. Ha! I call that divorcing Jesus Christ. We can do that, we can decide we have irreconcilable differences. The problem being, He came as a perfect, sin free man. So the error is not going to be on His end.

    It’s bit funny, I have gone there a few times, but I always have to read God the riot act and explain exactly why I am leaving Him. Which than begs the question, so Who exactly do you think you are yelling at? He is also incredibly merciful, so if you move out, it’s quite likely He’ll move out with you.

    • Did you just claim that God is so merciful that He will reject and abandon Christianity if you do it first? Because it kind of sounds like you said that.

  3. Yeah jb, just saw this post in my reader. Just off work so I need time to digest and consider a response. But first impressions? Wow… I think you’re way off on your analysis. See you soon when I’ve had a chance to read more fully.
    -kia

    • John Branyan says:

      Yeah, Mike, I’m not going to hold my breath. You won’t have anything of substance because of your anemic worldview. Maybe you’ll surprise me and after you “digest and consider a response”. Maybe pigs will fly too!
      Hope springs eternal!

    • mrsmcmommy says:

      “After giving this another look, I’ve decided you’re not worth my time after all! Have a nice day!”
      –Mike, probably, in awhile…if he comes back at all.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            The post was TL;DR.
            But I DID have time to copy and paste the text into a Word Document, so I could get the official word count.

            Go ahead. Guess.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            Try doubling that. LOL!

            Yours was less than 300 words. You challenged deconverts to admit “I choose to believe there is no God.” (Which is only eight words.)

            KIA opted to use over 2500.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            ….aaaaand, just for the record, I only counted HIS WORDS. (I cut out where he quoted YOU.) So, altogether, including the part where he copied your post in its entirety, the diatribe he published was almost 3000 words.

          • John Branyan says:

            You know what they say about brevity…
            He never DID get around to addressing my point.
            He should have just taken a picture of his tie.

          • John Branyan says:

            I have evidence that you’re correct.
            It’s in the content of his blog so unless you read it, you’ll need faith that I’m telling the truth.

          • mrsmcmommy says:

            I skimmed. Then I saw that I earned my own shout-out for something I wrote over a year ago (which he also didn’t understand). So I patted myself on the back for continuing to own free real estate in his mind; and I figured there was no reason to wade through the rest of the bog.

            Since he’s still choking on the things I said about slavery, it’s easy for me to have faith that he doesn’t read well. He sure is a feisty little guy, though! If you read the whole thing, I hope you “buckled up”! (HAHAHAHA!)

  4. Ron says:

    When you walk away from Santa Claus without a good reason, you look stupid. The trouble is, there are no good reasons to walk away from Santa Claus. So you’re going to look stupid no matter what.

    Let me suggest a disguise that will make your irrationality somewhat less obvious.

    “Honesty”.

    That’s it! Be truthful. Just admit that you don’t want to believe anymore.

    Do you know what will happen if you do that? The Santa enthusiaests will leave you alone! If you said, “I choose to believe there is no Santa”…your Santa antagonists would vanish like a mist! There is no argument against such bold honesty.

    But you need to be sincere! This must be your only reason for leaving.

    You can’t write lists of intellectual dilemmas. You can’t complain about the “lack of evidence” for Santa folklore. You can’t preach about how awful Santa’s mall helpers behave. You can’t ramble about the superiority of other myths.

    And most importantly…you can’t talk about naughty or nice. As soon as you open your mouth about bad or good, everyone knows that you’re lying. (Well…not everyone. Other non-mythicist simpletons don’t have a clue.)

    Trust me. Everyone ELSE knows you’re lying.

    And…YOU know you’re lying.

    We all agree that liars are detestable so…be honest when you leave Santa. It is your Santa-given right to turn your back on Santa.

    And I’ll hold the door for you!

    Go! Live life on your terms!

    Just quit pretending your non-Santa status is anything other than self-centeredness.It’s not of an enlightened revelation. It’s not of a profound concern for the betterment of mankind. You’ve decided to worship yourself.

    Admit it and you’ll earn a little respect from those of us who’ve decided differently.

    • John Branyan says:

      “The trouble is, there are no good reasons to walk away from Santa Claus.”

      LOL!
      This is fabulous!
      You’re kidding, right?

    • mrsmcmommy says:

      I LOVE the Santa analogy!

      Love, love, love, love it! Atheists make it all the time, and I crack up laughing….

      Because, yes, when you declare, “My Christmas presents made themselves!” you DO look stupid. HAHAHAHAHA!

      • John Branyan says:

        I’m going to give him the benefit of a doubt. I bet he can come up with at least one good reason to walk away from Santa Claus.

        • mrsmcmommy says:

          We talked about this on the podcast *just last week*. It tickles me to no end.

          You don’t have to call him “Santa,” but everybody DOES believe in a “Giver.” Why? Because trying to maintain that NO “santas” exist makes you even dumber than the average 6-year-old. At least the kid who thinks it was a guy in a red suit knows it had to be SOMEONE. At least they’re trying to figure out the mystery of who-dun-it, instead of arrogantly claiming they just won’t believe anything at all.

          HAHAHAHA!

  5. I Tried to read KIA’s post. I really did. But Sooooo much nothing being said for Soooo long. Makes my brain hurt. It’s like he threatened to make a point for PAGES but never did. I got to the point where he asserts JB must have gone to clown college and decided he had nothing to say. Peaches is right, he didn’t understand the original post and has no intelligent answer. Doesn’t even deserve points for trying. (Sad face emoji here)

    • John Branyan says:

      Pastor Mike gets his feelings hurt easily. He mistakes his whining for arguments.

      I applaud your efforts to try and understand his point of view. That’s how we know his religion is utterly useless!

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