Freedom!
Released from the chains of Puritan morality!
You don’t need marriage to be ‘in love’…
…(unless you’re gay; then marriage is essential….except for when it isn’t…)
At any rate, you don’t need ‘love’ to have sex.
That’s great news!
Love can be hard to find.
Love requires something from you.
(Like commitment…
…like marriage…
…ugh…)
Sex is just a diversion.
When it’s over, you get on with life.
Here are 3 Benefits to shunning marriage and just having sex.
*BENEFITS FOR MEN*
1. Keep Your Money and Stuff
Your girlfriend doesn’t have legal rights to your money.
When you’re tired of her, just break up.
No alimony payments.
No ‘division of assets’.
She just disappears!
You’re free to find another bunk mate!
A BETTER bunk mate!
(The other one was starting to let herself go anyway…)
2. Fatherhood On Your Terms
Kids are noisy, messy, expensive little monsters.
Sadly, they are a frequent consequence of sex.
It’s much easier to be a ‘good father’ if you’re not married.
Drop by to pose for pictures with the kids every few months…good father!
A phone call on the kid’s birthday…great father!
Mention the kid in a Facebook post…FATHER OF THE YEAR!
Marriage raises the expectations on a father significantly.
Married fathers are required to interact with their children EVEN DURING SPORTING EVENTS!
Married fathers are expected to alter their schedules to accommodate their children.
Unmarried fathers are heroes for just agreeing to a paternity test!
3. Free Housekeeping Services
Your girlfriend will clean up your apartment!
She’ll tidy up the kitchen.
She’ll wash your laundry.
She’ll scrub the toilet.
You don’t even have to ASK her to do it!
It will only cost a promise.
Promise her that the relationship is about more than sex.
*BENEFITS FOR WOMEN*
Pretending the relationship is about more than sex.
Believe the man is interested in you as a person.
It’s not the truth…
…but it’s a nice feeling while it lasts.
He’ll be gone the instant you suggest your relationship be made more permanent.
Just don’t think about it.
Enjoy the moment.
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The sarcasm is strong with this one! This is hilarious! In the words of Nick Offerman, “And they’re (his parents) followed closely by the ridiculous set of curves and comedy juggernaut that is my legal property, Megan Mullalley. That’s right. That’s how I feel about that lady, some of my most beautiful acreage. Read the paperwork. Shit is mine.”
Bingo!
Who wouldn’t want to be adored as ‘my most beautiful acreage’?
John, if I were you, I’d have quit banging my head against the wall of this conversation a looong time ago😉
I have answered your question. Twice.
Marriage doesn’t exist without God.
Now please explain what’s crucial in a civil marriage?
Marriage exists all over the world and is not incumbent on your god, yet you insist that it is, but have yet to explain why.
Therefore, your argument has no more credibility than any other god claim.
Tell me why your god is crucial and then maybe we can evaluate the reasons?
I’ve answered your question.
Since you don’t want to answer my question, I’ll answer it for you.
“John, I don’t think god is necessary for marriage. I don’t need to explain myself. You are a Dickhead.”
You have not explained why YOUR god is a requirement, merely made the erroneous claim that Yahweh invented marriage.
So explain why you believe he is necessary.
I
already
explained
why
God
is
necessary.
This article is thoroughly atheistic. Did you notice that? Without reference to any specific religion, I gave three good reasons TO NOT GET MARRIED.
What are you objecting to?
You have not explained why your god is required.
Please do so.
Because my definition of marriage comes from Christianity.
I will have to accept this I guess.
As long as you realise that this is the similar argument every god believer will likely offer – irrespective of the god in question.
This , of course, then brings into question which is the right god?
That you are going to find a little too difficult to answer honestly I suspect.
Speaking of honesty, you gonna tell me why a guy should get married when all he wants is free sex?
Why would he get married if all he wants is free sex?
As sex outside of marriage is considered a heinous sin in the Christian faith it seems a lot more likely that a Christian man would marry simply to get his rocks off rather than a non-Christian.
Exactly!
You’re agreeing with me!
Which rather maligns the average christian male then, doesn’t?
Not at all. Is that what you were trying to do?
Marriage is not solely (souly?) about sex. Therefore, why get married just to have ”free sex” , to use your term.
This, I understand , seems to be a problem where certain religious doctrine prohibits sex outside of marriage.
You would likely have greater first hand experience of the pressures imposed on ( especially) fundamentalist Christians to abstain from sex before marriage.
Thus, I am sure the desire to have sex is a strong motivating force for a great many ( especially younger) Christians to get married.
Right.
There are religious reasons for getting married. That was MY position, remember? God is a crucial element in the definition of marriage.
We are STILL in agreement.
Do you want to go over to your blog and let them know that you found something I’m right about?
No, we are not. NO god is a crucial part of marriage and you STILL have not explained why you consider it should be.
We agree that desire for sex motivates Christian men to get married.
We agree that marriage is about more than sex.
I explained why God is crucial to marriage because I am a Christian. You agreed to that.
Did you hit your head?
Are you okay?
I agree that it seems crucial
to YOU.
You did not explain why Yahweh is crucial to marriage other than to satisfy Christian doctrine.
Offer an alternative definition of marriage that doesn’t require Christian ethics and we’ll discuss it.
Or go tell your atheist buddies how you’ve administered another intellectual beating.
No one needs Christian ethics to enjoy a
healthy, stable relationship or marriage.
Based on statistics, and the bible,a Christian marriage is likely the last thing people should engage in.
Is that right?
Now we’re getting somewhere!
Out with Christian marriage!
Instead…engage in…what, exactly?
Are you really struggling to grasp this concept or are you simply being obtuse on purpose?
There are numerous marriages all around the world, from a civil union performed in front of a licensed marriage officer to jumping over a broomstick.
If it is considered a legal union by the state then that’s what it is.
And every Christian marriage still has to be recognized by the state as well.
Am I making myself understood, John?
Why, Ark?
Why should a Navajo Indian get involved in ANY type of marriage when all he wants is to have sex?
You can’t answer this question without resorting to some kind of religious ethic.
You are toast.
Now.
Go to your blog and tell everyone of your great victory.
Let me see if I understand you correctly.
1. You believe sex should only be permitted within the framework of a marriage.
2. you consider the only proper marriage is a Christian marriage.
3. ergo, all other unions are null and therefore sex within these unions are considered sin.
Are we n the same page so far?
You are toast.
Go tell your blog readers you’ve won.
It’s precisely Ark’s confusion about what “marriage” means which inspired me to write this post a year or two ago:
https://culturesatwar.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/if-marriage-means-nothing-lets-counsel-young-christians-toward-covenant/
You ever wondered why sex BEFORE marriage is a ‘heinous sin’ and sex WITHIN marriage is celebrated as a good thing?
Of course you haven’t…
Yet today we find ourselves, Atheist and Christian, shoulder to shoulder, advocating for marriage.
There you go, asking and answering.
Sin is a religious construct. I do not hold with it.
Soooooooooooooo…….
Why should an ATHEIST get married?
Why should a Navajo Indian get married?
If the Navajo is an atheist, there’s no reason to get married. Just bang any squaw who will allow it. When you’re tired of her, find another.
Is this difficult to understand? There’s no rational reason to give a woman legal rights over your property, is there?
You truly are a disgusting pig.
If one is ”tired of her” marriage will not prevent a split and the fact that divorce is higher among fundamentalist Christians is evidence of this.
And also clear evidence that your god really has sweet FA to do with it.
Exactly!
You are still making a powerful case for Christian marriage.
I especially like the ‘disgusting pig’ accusation. That would be my sentiments as well. Atheism is a deplorable worldview bereft of moral benefits.
Where am I making any case for Christian marriage?
In terms of stability atheist marriages far out strip Christian marriages.
Yes.
Marriage exists all over the world.
You have yet to define what you mean by ‘marriage’.
My God is crucial to my definition of marriage. You obviously disagree with that definition…
So, for the millionth time, what do you believe IS crucial in the definition of marriage?
When you you explain WHY your god is crucial then maybe we can move right along.
BECAUSE I am A Christian.
I agree totally, Ark.
Very good reading!
When did Ark become an apologist for Christian marriage?
It’s weird how he keeps explaining to me that sex motivates Christian men to get married. Like I’ve ever suggested otherwise.
As usual, his motive is to share skewed statistics and obsess over a minor sub-thread, rather than stay on topic.
The old sociologist mantra is “You can make statistics say whatever you want.”
Therefore, Ark never misses the opportunity to do so. 🙂
He’s certain that God isn’t necessary for marriage but he can’t explain the purpose of marriage outside of some religious context.
Shocking. 🙂
Here’s how my generation has come to understand it:
https://i.imgflip.com/b9oj3.jpg
Perfect.
I don’t understand why he objects to this sentiment…
(*wink*)
Yes you do understand.
I disagree that there aren’t ANY “benefits for women.” Girls usually enjoy playing house and imagining elaborate dramas.
Sure, there are trade offs to be part all of the acting/pretending without any formal commitment. But, boy, what a show! What a ride!
Here’s a meme I saw recently. #Drama #Heartbreak #Fun
http://www.wineanddrama.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/thegrind103.jpg
I will update the article…
It turns out, immature boys and immature girls deserve each other. :/
You are a girl.
I’ll respect your offering from that perspective.
Speaking of thrill rides, I see you decided to hop on the Ark Merry-God-Round today.
For those who didn’t see it in the last thread, it looks like this:
1. Ark comments on a post he doesn’t understand.
2. Ark is asked to summarize the original post and/or make a point. (He doesn’t.)
3. Ark finds a way to bring up Yahweh despite being told “Yahweh has almost nothing to do with the post.”
4. Ark feels embarrassed that his terrible reading skills are being exposed, so he tells everyone else they are unstable or indoctrinated or incapable of critical thought. Or all three.
5. The Dishonorable Judge Ark completely takes over the thread, demanding everyone else answer HIS questions. (Defendants are guilty until proven innocent.)
6. Everyone tries repeatedly to get Ark back on topic, but he keeps saying: “I’ve given you evidence! Science! Evolution! I’ve answered your questions! What was the question I missed?”
7. Finally, everyone gets tired of him and just clicks “like” on all of his gibberish.
8. Ark feels lonely and comments on a NEW post he doesn’t understand, hoping someone eventually takes pity and summarizes it for him.
LOL! That was an accidental typo. But I might start using “Merry-God-Round.”
I wonder how this post would have turned out if written by a woman?
Why is marriage so often perceived to be such a crucial component of the ideal relationship?
How do you suggest relationships be better without marriage?
You appear to be missing the point, in as much as your premise is that, marriage is crucial to ensure a better relationship.
I would ask, what are you basing this on?
I’m basing it on my understanding of what marriage means. My definition makes marriage crucial to relationships.
Your definition is likely to be flimsy as you are an atheist and not in the habit of thinking deeply on such subjects.
And why would your definition of marriage be better better than mine?
Or for that matter anyone else’s?
And what has being an atheist got to do with marriage?
Marriage is a covenant between three people; a man, a woman and God.
The man’s job in the covenant is to ‘give himself up’ for his wife. Sacrifice everything to take care of her.
What is your definition of marriage?
Where do you get the idea that a god has any part in a marriage?
You’ll discover the answer to that question as you struggle to tell me your godless definition of marriage.
As you have laid feel quite strongly about what you obviously consider The Marriage Blueprint, I would appreciate if you informed me and all those reading along exactly why a god …. and in this case, your god, Yahweh is in your eyes, a crucial part of this covenant?
You asked how I know my definition of marriage is better than yours. I gave you a summary of my definition. Now you need to provide your definition for comparison. Maybe your definition is better!
You did not explain how it is better, or why a god is a crucial comment, but merely included your god in the mix.
So, why is your god for example, a better god for marriage than say, one of the Hindu gods?
Or, no god?
This point you need to clarify.
It’s hard to come up with a solid definition of marriage from your insipid, atheist worldview, isn’t it? How do YOU know my definition is inferior when you can’t even state an alternative?
This would be a good time to just go back to your blog and let the gang know that I’m telling lies for Jesus. You guys can assure each other that I’m despicably delusional and ignore the truth that you never have a rational response to any questions.
A civil marriage does not require any god.
What problems do have with this arrangement?
*component. typo, sorry
Oh, and I did not say your arrangement was inferior. You stated the marriage covenant requires your god.
All I asked was, why is it crucial that your god be part of this arrangement?
You have so far failed to offer any explanation.
You are changing your questions as you go along.
I’m not surprised that an atheist sees no reason for God in the marriage arrangement. You will continue to reject any further explanations.
Is there any reason for a man to engage in a ‘civil marriage’ when all he wants is sex with no strings attached?
Again, you are the one stressing how crucial YOUR god is to a marriage.
All I am asking is why is YOUR god so important and not one of the Hindu gods for example.
Or, no god at all?
Yes. I’m stressing MY god is crucial because I am a Christian. That’s what we do. We talk about how God factors into our lives.
The ‘no god at all’ position is YOURS to explain. Not mine.
What reason does a guy have for entering into a ‘civil marriage’ if he just wants sex without commitment?
You have still failed to answer the question first posed: why is YOUR god crucial to a marriage union?
Because MY god created marriage.
Without MY god, there is no Universe.
Your turn.
Why should a guy enter into a ‘civil marriage’ when he just wants sex with no strings attached?
You mean Yahweh is responsible for marriage?
Where does it state this?
Surprise! No answer to my question!
Go now.
Back to your blog.
Let them know how thoroughly you’ve embarrassed me.
http://www.alternet.org/culture/what-war-marriage-divorce-rates-are-highest-among-evangelicals
The Barna Research Group, an evangelical Christian organization that does surveys and research to better understand what Christians believe and how they behave, studied divorce rates in America in 1999 and found surprising evidence that divorce is far lower among atheists than among conservative Christians – exactly the opposite of what they were probably expecting.[…]
So, why is YOUR god, Yahweh, crucial to marriage?
Still no answer to my question!
I’m on the ropes!
You’re absolutely pummeling my thesis!
http://www.alternet.org/culture/what-war-marriage-divorce-rates-are-highest-among-evangelicals
You know what? If the Fundies want to save traditional marriage maybe they should all convert to Hinduism. According to a Pew survey in 2008, American Hindus have the lowest divorce rate in the country at 5%.
This post was called “3 Benefits of Sex WITHOUT Marriage” wasn’t it? I’m confused, since now Ark seems to be defending the stuffy, Puritan morality that encourages marriage?
(By the way, for anyone still reading this back-and-forth, the divorce rate is low among Atheists because many of the couples never got married in the first place. That’s another benefit of playing house! When you’re done with each other, you can just walk away–but still brag that the divorce rate is low among non-believers.)
He’s not ‘defending’ anything. As usual, he’s just throwing rocks at me and offering no alternative point of view.
Divorce rate has NOTHING to do with the definition of marriage.
Well…
Yes, the divorce rate does have something to do with the definition of marriage. Like I said–the divorce rate for Atheists would go up a TON, if they admitted they were pretending to be husband and wife all along. Most people in the United States have been married and divorced several times, even if the government never handed them paper work to confirm it.
So–if we start defining marriage properly, it will change the stats on the various divorce rates a bunch. 🙂
But, I know what you mean. Ark needs to explain what he means by “married” (and by extension “divorced”) before you can have any sort of conversation. If it’s just a piece of paper that you get for 10 bucks at a courthouse, then he needs to explain why people bother.
He is avoiding the ‘why’ question regarding civil marriage. But that’s probably because I’m a horrible person.
I want to post an update to make this post less myopic. I want to include some of your godless wisdom.
So, why should a guy enter into a ‘civil marriage’ when he just wants sex without commitment?
Why would you presume a civil marriage would be without commitment?
I didn’t presume anything.
Do you understand the question?
You obviously do not understand mine.
And it still remains unanswered.
Why is Yahweh crucial to a marriage?
I’m just spit-balling here, but wouldn’t marriage be a crucial component of any ideal marriage relationship?
That comment doesn’t make sense.
You don’t make any sense.
What I would tell every girl and young woman about sex before marriage is simple and eye opening. Do you want the man you marry one day to compare your intimate moments with other women he has been with? If not, then don’t be that woman some other guy compares to his wife.