Francis Collins talking about how he believes in God and science without breaking a sweat.
Fast forward to about the 40-minute mark if you want to skip his testimony.*
If you believe in God but get nervous when you hear talk about evolution – Watch this video!
If you don’t believe in God because you think evolution explains everything – Watch this video.
If you’ve never heard of Francis Collins; look here.
*Listening to Collin’s testimony is worthwhile if you have the time.
He’s a scientist.
Scientists draw conclusions from their research.
Collins became a Christian partly because of his scientific discoveries.
PARTLY…
I’ve suggested that everyone is religious.
It’s a dogma we construct using our intellect, emotions, and intuition.
The best religion balances these three things.
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Lol!
Interesting watching the fundamentalists at work.
1. Those whose fundamental beliefs derive from a literary interpretation of the bible (read as the writers intended it to be understood),
2. Those whose fundamental beliefs derive from ascribing everything to dame nature (will not allow a divine foot in the door),
and the third point of the triangle
3. Those whose fundamental beliefs include a selection of authorities including certain passages and and concepts from scripture and from science. (And because those selections vary from individual to individual, I guess this polygon of fundamentalists has many more sides than a triangle, e.g. those who are theistic evolutionist, OEC, YEC+Gap, YEC are examples of using different selections of science, scripture and personal experience as the fundamental basis for their beliefs).
If you normally use the word fundamentalist as a way of disparaging views other than your own I am sorry for making you feel sad by pointing out that you are making a defense of the fundamentals of your belief system.
Does anyone feel these arguments in the comments section are getting anywhere? Is anyone taking anything on board at all?
If not, what is the purpose of this wrangling? What are your motivations? John?, Mrs?, Ark? Lurkers?
I write for the lurkers…
Once upon a time I was a lurker on various blogs. I’m thankful there were Christians who were able to hold their own.
Also, here’s our working definition of Fundamentalist:
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/put-the-fun-in-fundamentalism
Here we go, Dale. Just for you.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fundamentalist
From the Collins video:
“In matters that are so obscure and far beyond our vision, we find in Holy Scripture passages which can be interpreted in very different ways without prejudice to the faith we have received. In such cases, we should not rush in headlong and so firmly take our stand on one side that, if further progress in the search for truth justly undermines that position, we too fall with it.” –St. Augustine
(Collins): “I wish [St. Augustine’s] exhortation were referred to more often…So, I’m actually encouraged that we’re having this conversation. I’m encouraged there seems to be an interest, as evidenced by all of those who have turned out this evening… I’m troubled that the stage often seems to be occupied by those at the extremes of the spectrum: on the one hand, Atheists who are arguing that science disproves God; on the other hand, Fundamentalists who say that science can’t be trusted because it disagrees with their interpretations of particular scripture verses. But I think there’s hope here, for having this conversation go somewhere.”
It appears that Francis Collins and Ark have reached an agreement. Science is not in conflict with Christianity.
But, if that’s true, then how will Ark occupy his evening?
He will try to steer the conversation back to Exodus.
That’s okay.
Key word search in the comments page, and you will find dozens and dozens of times you’ve answered questions about the Exodus as well.
I repeat: why write new material, when you’ve already seen the ENTIRE SCRIPT that these particular Atheists like to run. Maybe if we get some new opponents, we will have the chance to engage in that kind of thoughtful, balanced conversation with REAL truth-seekers that Collins alluded to.
…I’m sad that I didn’t get to post my airplane crash.
Wait, you REALLY think he’s gone for good?
HAHAHA!
You poor thing. 😉
Is he Googling wildly?
Or feeding the dogs.
Is this the heading on your dad’s CV?
And Collins used to be your go to guy.
Way to go you big dummy!
~CQW
PS – HGP!
Also: “This is the big one, Elizabeth! I’m coming to see ya!”
Hey, Senor Dipshit!
Happy New Year to you.
Hope they are able to reduce your dosage this year.
He still is as far as being a brilliant geneticist goes.
But as I wouldn’t turn to Tyson for answers re: genetics there is no reason I must treat anything Collins says regarding cosmology as ‘gospel’.
In a similar vein, if I needed to point to someone as a perfect example of an ignorant, indoctrinated Christian half- wit, then you would be in my top five ‘got to guys’.
PS. Va te faire encular.
Here we go, Senor Dipshit. A gift for you.
It doesn’t have too many big words so you should cope.
Have fun.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5x4SUZZrHuKcjVBMmR6THZiV1E/view
@Big Dummy –
“PS. Va te faire encular.”
I’m sure you’d like that ya big dummy!
~CQW
In case there are any Christians who worry that Ark’s questions haven’t been answered thoroughly, here are a bunch of links to OTHER times Ark has brought up Jesus…
“Once again steering conversation toward Jesus. Can’t get enough of him.” https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/09/13/because-im-lazy/comment-page-1/#comment-4682
“Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.”
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/09/17/just-one-more-lazy-post/comment-page-1/#comment-4982
“Talking about Jesus Again!”
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/christians-please-quit-your-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5659
This long conversation:
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/united-for-division/comment-page-1/#comment-8848
This one, too:
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/do-what-god-says-because-god-says/comment-page-1/#comment-7180
“Doesn’t matter how you answer him.”
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/09/05/comedy-sojourn-podcast-episode-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4319
As you can see, pretty much the only time he DOESN’T want to talk about Jesus, is when that’s the topic of the original post:
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/10/02/making-a-trucker-stop-trucking/#comment-6147
I’m pretty certain Mr. Collins does not promote godlessness………….
He promotes evolution,you arsehole.
If you cannot understand the difference between things changing because of a Creator who set all things in motion……..and godlessness………..
then I can’t help you.
ColorStorm – Diggity-Doug has confessed that naturalism is the bench mark for stupidity. Yet he has faith that naturalism is going to answer all questions. He’s beyond help. Just post a Monty Python video for him to watch.
@ john
And people think they can actually win an argument against the Creator?
Ever heard about the knucklehead who tried to sink the submarine with a pea shooter???
Collins believes in evolution.
You stated this was one of the twin evils.
Thus you beleive Collins is pushing evil by believing and promoting evolution of you are simply,lying or a blithering idiot.
Take your pick.
Uh sir, it is you who is the lazy reader.
Evolution…………..apart from God………is godlessness.
Changes within species for example does not invalidate the Creator. sheesh.
Now you wish to do the theological two step?
Shameful but par for the course.
Excellent! Look boys and girls, we have yet another disingenuous arse on Branyan’s blog.
Now go and preach your wonderful epiphany to the Creationist Institute and Ken Ham and co.
Tell him about Naturalism, Dig-Dug! Tell him about naturalism!!
Seriously, Branyan, stick with Christian Comedy. You don’t even have to think up new material, just read the bible.
Comedy is the hapless atheist who tells me that every answer in the universe will be discovered by the bench mark of stupidity!
You’re the joke!
As previously noted, you appear to be suffering from some form of arrested development , Branyan.
Stick with the Christian comedy.
At least your audiences seem sympathetic.
The difference between naturalism and super-naturalism. Go!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernaturalism
OH. You meant Supernaturalism. You typed super-naturalism and that confused me.
I want to make sure you have a chance to represent yourself. How did you want me to answer your question; “Please explain the scientific rationale behind the Crucifiction and Resurrection of the character Jesus of Nazareth”?
Explain away….
No.
YOU are supposed to explain how I was to answer the question.
Read the thread Branyan.
The biblical character,Jesus of Nazareth is a crucial part of Collins’s worldview.
He offers no reasons, other than faith, for his belief in the necessity of the crucifiction and the resurrection.
You consider science and Christianity are perfectly compatible, so explain the necessity of these two crucial foundational tenets of your faith, and, if you are up to it, explain how the character, Jesus of Nazareth is the creator of the universe.
How does one get from Deism to Theism.
You believe it after all so one would expect you have an answer.
I’ve read the thread.
You have offered no reasons, other than faith, for your beliefs.
Science and Christianity are perfectly compatible. If you disagree, you’ll need to show how science invalidates A SINGLE aspect of Christian faith.
You believe it after all so one would expect you to have a reason.
We’re nearly to 100 comments.
Are you planning to “lol” soon?
Yeah.
I just want to post another plane crash gif first.
lol. Fair enough.
Seriously–we’ve spent a year answering the same questions from these monkeys. So, theoretically, you never have to compose another comment again. Just do what KIA does, and re-link to old things you’ve already written.
Why produce new material, when you’ve already said everything? 😉
You have faith in the Exodus as it is written in the bible, do you not?
Last chance, Dig-Dug. I’m giving you a chance to redeem yourself.
Offer the science that invalidates any tenet of Christian faith.
So are we agreed that science and Christianity are compatible?
Are you delusional?
No.
I drew that conclusion based on your inability to produce any argument to the contrary.
I can’t always pander to your beck and call-girl,Branyan.
But if you want to rush off for twenty minutes and say a few Hail Marys or a nice and loud ”Please, Jesus come quickly”, a few dozen times, then I’ll have something for you.
Take all the time you need. I just figured you would have an at the ready.
Christianity is based on supernaturalism.
Science is based upon naturalism.
That you may wish to hold two opposing views is based on your own interpretation of reality this is your choice.
But science has demonstrated unequivocally that much of the bible is fallacious, and has no historical or scientific veracity.
Science in the form of archaeology has demonstrated that the biblical Exodus claims are false.
How many examples do you require?
Archeology has not demonstrated the Exodus to be false.
You were talking about the crucifixion. Science does not disprove that either.
Archaeology has demonstrated the Exodus as depicted in the bible to be false.
The Exodus is an integral part of your faith.
If you have a specific against science then state it.
Science and Christianity are compatible. I have nothing against science.
Archeology has not demonstrated the Exodus is false.
The Exodus is not an integral part of my faith.
Archaeology has most certainly demonstrated the falsity of the Exodus as depicted in the bible.
Please explain why the character, Jesus of Nazareth cites Moses as being the individual behind Mosaic Law and that he,Jesus of Nazareth has come to fulfill this law.
Please link to the archeological work that falsifies the Exodus.
You have been citing Dever on and off. You should be perfectly aware by now.
Dever never uses the word “false”.
So that’s it. You’re wrong again.
Aah, so we are back to semantics?
Fair enough.
Does Dever beleive there is scientific evidence for the Exodus as described in the bible?
Dever is YOUR guy. Link to me to where he outlines his beliefs.
I am dreadfully sorry, were you not in heavy discussion with John Z the other day on this exact topic?
You should know Dever’s views by now and none of them include an acknowledgement of the veracity of the biblical claims for the Exodus.
If you have been unable to grasp the salient points of what archaeology has demonstrated then maybe you need to swat up a little more before you raise objections to the eminent individuals in the field?
The Exodus is a perfect example of how science undermines Christianity.
So no link then? What a surprise!
Here’s one for you:
“Now in my view, a small Exodus group probably did exist and could have come to be identified, eventually, with the Biblical house of Joseph. And it was they who predominantly formed the tradition so that later on ALL of Israel becomes part of this small group.” (~ William Dever, UC San Diego Exodus Conference, June 1, 2013)
Boom.
You’re done.
I am almost convinced there truly is something the matter with you, Branyan.
Are you perhaps a little bit remedial? Or maybe a sociopath?
Seriously, you should go for tests.
I am perfectly aware of Dever’s statement.
However, I stated as clear as day on several occasions that Dever does not hold with the Exodus as described in the bible.
This would include, the 2.5 million escaping slaves, the parting of the Red Sea the lengthy stay at Kadesh, the trip up the bloody mountain, manna from heaven, and the conquest of Canaan, and also the destruction of the Jericho by blowing trumpets.
If you wish to persist on demonstrating how much of a bloody- minded moron you are then that’s fine by me.
But just so there is no misunderstanding.
Dever does not beleive there is any veracity of the Exodus tale as depicted in the bible.
Now you know where science stands and how it has undermined your faith- based supernatural belief, perhaps you will have the integrity to explain how the character, Jesus of Nazareth could possibly believe Moses and his Law and the Exodus were historical reality?
You were not aware of Dever’s statement.
William G. Dever does not speak for the totality of archeological opinions. He admits this himself.
It’s gotta sting your ego to keep losing to a sociopathic, delusional, moron like me day after day.
Imagine how poorly you’d do up against a smart person!
Of course I was aware of Dever’s statement!
I have been following this argument for years you ignoramus.
However, you are correct , Dever does not speak for the totality of archaeological opinion.
We must not forget the likes of, Kenneth Kitchen, and James Hoffmeier, as two examples.
How does it feel to realise there are supposedly around 15,000 followers of the Comedy Sojourn who are thoroughly disgusted by your disingenuous and blatantly vile behavior?
A shining example for your faith?
Hell, yes!
Truly, you are as cringe-worthy off stage as you are on it.
And that also was not an ad hom, but a accurate character description.
Lol!
I’m a cringe-worthy, indoctrinated, moron. And you still lost the debate!
A final summarization of your arguments today:
Lost?
Lost what?
Seriously, Branyan, for your god’s sake, stick to Christian comedy. You have the bible, and maybe your daughter can hook you up with David Wood?
A pen pal right up your alley.
Clearly you and this thinking business, along with honesty and integrity are just not compatible.
What about that part of the Bible that says, “Every single word of every story contained in this book is literally true, in ALL of the details, and there are no myths or exaggerations or cultural memories and counter-memories playing out in this text…” ??
How do you explain THAT, huh?!?!?!
Yeah. I can’t explain that passage either.
SEE?!
You’re nothing but a liar for Jesus! (I mean–if Jesus existed!)
If you had any shred of honesty at all, you would ADMIT that Christianity hinges completely on whether the Exodus REALLY happened, or was part of Jewish folklore. It’s the Achilles heel. Everything comes crashing down if the Archaelogists can’t find solid proof of the literal Exodus as interpreted by the average Atheist when reading another Atheist’s blog post about an interpretation of the Bible.
The Archaeologists have sifted through a lot of dirt, and do you know what they found??? (DO you KNOW what they FOUND?) They found a mess of cards that used to be Christianity, completely crumbled in a heap!!!!
So…prove I’m wrong.
Here’s another clip of Ark’s argument:
One word:
Naturalism.
Prove me wrong.
Supernaturalism.
Period.
You only say that because you’re indoctrinated! And Collins–who was brought up in an Atheist household–also is indoctrinated!
Also: you are vile and cringe-worthy and you smell bad.
Prove me wrong.
Guess what ark?? You do not get to set the parameters for the Creator.
You remind me of Herod who had no use for Pilate……….until they had common ground, ie, their dismissal of Christ.
You have no use for Collins as a believer, but he is useful because he supposedly agrees with you.
Sad you cannot see your own blindness, then try to paint others as blind. Guess what? He does not agree with you.
Until you admit there is a God in heaven, you will be lost as fog.
There’s a word JZ often uses: accusing me of “jettisoning” Christianity, when it becomes inconvenient.
That’s how the Atheists handle their precious scientific experts… Accepting their statements as Undeniable Truth–UNTIL they have to “jettison” the evidence that led 40% of scientists to the Creator.
BE QUIET YOU GUYS!
Ark is going to tell us the difference between naturalism and super-naturalism.
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/90/90be81268fdfdd00d61d82f54dd6922429fa09ecea962ec075cef4727e383229.jpg
He mean ‘supernaturalism’ but he typed ‘super-naturalism’. Go figure.
Now he’s going to explain how his crucifixion question was supposed to be answered using naturalism.
I’m sure it’ll be a reasonable and cogent explanation.
WE HAVE ALREADY GIVEN REASONS FOR BELIEVING THE CRUCIFIXION HAPPENED!
Then he started demanding non-biblical sources.
And, then, I explained that the Bible is just a collection of the most relevant testimonies. It makes no sense to throw out the entire Bible.
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/united-for-division/comment-page-1/#comment-8925
But he wanted SCIENTIFIC RATIONALE for the crucifixion. I just needed him to clarify which branch of science he wanted me to use and he kind of flipped out…
That’s similar to how fundamentalist Christians sometimes act when you talk about specifics of God!
Maybe he’s upset that you’re trying to reduce and categorize Almighty Science.
Asking “which branch” is like asking “which God.” It’s incomprehensible for a Naturalist, who worships anything that doesn’t sound too spirit-y.
Yes, and can I toss in a fav word of SoM, when speaking of the atheistic mind which creates its own reality of godlessness: hallucinations.
Nah, it’s a willful choice. They WANT to believe there is no God.
(Atheist) Martin Rowson: “If God proved he existed, I still wouldn’t believe in him… I don’t believe in God, not because I can’t but because I don’t want to”.
Atheist Philosopher Thomas Nagel: “I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that. My guess is that this cosmic authority problem is not a rare condition and that it is responsible for much of the scientism and reductionism of our time.”
I did not set the parameters.
You were the one who said godlessness and evolution were twin evil bastard idiots.
I cannot help if you fuck-up when you try to get a little too big for your boots with your asinine rhetoric while attempting to besmirch a world class physicist.
Maybe you should double-check the garbage you write in future before hugging yourself so gleefully ?
That way, you won’t always come across as a Dickhead.
Just a suggestion.
Anybody who has read my comments knows the context in which I speak………
To be fair, I and you are ‘evolving’ daily toward this rather unnatural and inconvenient state known as death.
Once more, set in motion by the Creator.
Aahh.. and now you bring up ”context”.
Pull up your burning pants,John, you little liar for Jesus.
I’ll leave you in the hands of the host, while you wallow in the pride of godless evolution.
Don’t trip over your trouser, little Johnny-Liar.
Please come back and tell us how you get on with Ken Ham.
As I said ark, context is a wonderful true. Heck, personally, I believe in evolution…………..
Sorry John B, for the link here, but you may appreciate this too. 😉
https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2016/06/30/evolution-is-true/
Context is a wonderful thing. Yet you did not specify this in your glaring mistake. And only when your asinine remark was pointed out to you as describing Collins did you suddenly run for cover and start to tap dance.
Sean Carroll spends an inordinate amount of time using words and saying nothing. What a mental lightweight
And yet he is a hero to the evil twin bastard idiots of godlessness and evolution………….
Oh dear. Are you actually suggesting a scientist the stature of Francis Collins, the feature of this post, is an evil bastard idiot?
I am sure even Branyan and Mrsmc are cringing at your statement.
You are not going to find too many friends in the real world touting Creationism I am afraid.
Not even on this blog.
CS appears to be referring to you and the Korean automobile that used to know it all.
You big dummy!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=moYdbNXBwvk
The supposed non-believers just can’t quit us. Hopefully some of the people from Facebook come over for a discussion, like you asked.
It’s time to rotate the players…
It’ll be interesting to watch the clash of the fundamentalists.
The atheist brain is very compartmentalized. It is unable to consider the Tim Keller video together with the Francis Collins video. Atheists see all theistic doctrines as conflicting.
I’m still developing my theory that everybody finds what they want to find. These guys just don’t WANT to find God. And that’s fine…
It’s just sad that they don’t realize how many other things they need to throw out, when they remove God from the picture.
Sure. But I would make the case that Christianity doesn’t always give us God in terms we want. We’re stuck with God who doesn’t usually fit neatly into any singular understanding of reality.
Christianity tells us that God let’s us choose. We can say “no, thank you” to God. And that’s what they’re trying to do…
But–again–these Atheists think they can say “Yes, please” to logic and “yes, please” to science and “yes, please” to consistency and rationality and intelligence while STILL saying “no, thank you” to the Philosophy of Theism which proves you can’t have both.
It’s the only way to remain an Atheist of their breed: be TERRIBLE at philosophy, and try and pick and choose parts of God that you like, without giving Him credit.
This is an excellent summation and a lot shorter than Collins video.
https://youtu.be/SQ4OFAFfFrY
The jesus of the nt has no extra biblical support for his existence. If there was a rabbi from Galilee who once lived and died, it wasn’t the same person fictionalized in the nt as risen from the dead. There is no evidence for that at all
Liar, lunatic, Lord? Why stop at just three options? How about Literary fiction and mythological Legend?
He also parrots the CS Lewis Triple L argument.
And just why couldn’t the character Jesus of Nazareth have been a lunatic?
Towards the end, around 1:26 he tries to explain the spiritual aspects and link this with math and fine tuning, and the moral law, which seem outside of naturalism. Yet both of which he admits are NOT proofs.
1: 28 ”.. there is a mental crutch for believing in a god …” . And based on every Christian’s testimony and every deconverts testimony this is the crux of the entire perspective of the Christian faith.
Collins has arrived at a point when, on the one hand, he is quite comfortable to separate his science and his theology without fully utilizing science to make the leap from deism to theism ‘ because there isn’t one – as we saw him almost seamlessly slide the Crucificion and the Resurrection into the story.
While it goes without saying he is a brilliant scientist, he is also an evangelical christian and just like people such as Egyptologist/archaeologist James Hoffmeir , the component of faith cannot be ignored nor dismissed.
Thus, once these folk accept Christianity they will find a way to incorporate it into their christian worldview.
As KIA notes above, at some point one cannot be both a true scientist and a True Christian.
I would recommend you look up Sean Carroll.
Unlike Collins and William Lane Craig, Carroll is a cosmologist and fully understands the supposed Fine Tuning argument.
You’re wrong.
Science and Christianity coexist perfectly.
Fundamentalists, such as you and Mike, can’t coexist with ANY philosophy other than your own.
The video was meant for Christians who are squeamish about evolution. No need for that. There is no branch of science that invalidates Christianity.
This is over your head though. Here’s something that’s more your speed:
How quickly you devolve into behaving like the arse you so clearly are.
Then maybe you should have included a proviso about atheists being unwelcome?
While Collins is sincere in his approach he is,like every theist, ultimately wrong, as the theist argument will inevitable hit a brick wall.
A brick wall that cannot be penetrated without imagining what may be on the other side.
Thus faith and by extension, the god of the gaps.
And worse, of course , the christian god.
Science and Christianity work together because of compartmentalism. Again, god of the gaps.
Like I said, you’re over your head.
You hit the same brick wall, Dig-Dug. But you employ a ‘science of the gaps’ religion after the collision takes place. “We don’t know the answer…yet! But someday, Science will reveal the Truth!”
We both have faith.
Color your troll.
As it has done every step of the way so far.
Funny how even when you are trying to cheer your cause you end up championing mine.
I like the picture in black and white thank you.
I don’t necessarily need to fill in the gaps with imaginary colours.
But feel free, it is your picture after all.
Isn’t it about time your sidekick joined in ….”lol”
This is the part of the conversation where a grown-up would say something like, “We agree, John. Both of us employ some faith in order to make sense of reality.”
…your move.
Really?
Okay. I have faith that the natural world will eventually reveal all the currently unanswered questions re: existence.
Now tell me why you believe you need to be saved and that the character Jesus of Nazareth had to die on a cross?
Tremendous! You have faith that nature will answer your questions, “As it has done every step of the way so far.”
What questions regarding existence has the natural world answered so far? Can you think of even one?
As I said, eventually .
You seem a bit afraid that this will come to pass?
So, tell me why you believe you need to be saved and that the character Jesus of Nazareth had to die on a cross?
We’re not taking the ‘Jesus detour’ today. I’ve answered that question several times in other posts.
You seem a bit afraid of telling me which existence questions have been answered by nature. That’s because you can’t think of even one.
Yes I realised after posting you might take that a little too literally.
My bad. Slip of the keyboard.
”Existence” as in prior to the Big Bang, yes?
Yes.
What ‘prior to the Big Bang’ questions has nature answered? None.
There is currently no science to support your radical faith claim.
I agree wholeheartedly. Absolutely none.
I dod mention I had posted my previous comment failing to take into consideration whom I was dealing with, and my word choice was admittedly poor.
So, what we do have is evolution, and various branches of scientific endeavor which have answered a great many questions previously attributed to the supernatural and gods.
And , no doubt, will continue to answer questions as we go along.
So , as you beleive Jesus if Nazareth is the Creator god to whom you attribute our existence, can you please explain how you arrive at this conclusion?
Dad: please don’t let him get away with the statement “scientific endeavor has answered a great many questions PREVIOUSLY attributed to the supernatural and gods.”
Remind him (again) that the scientific method was INVENTED and developed by Theists who understood that, philosophically, studying the creation is a good way to learn about the Creator.
Every scientific discovery is more proof of God’s rationality and logic.
lol!
“…branches of scientific endeavor which have answered a great many questions previously attributed to the supernatural and gods.”
And to date, there is nothing in Christian doctrine that is incompatible with science. That’s the point of this post.
Fair enough. In that case, please explain the scientific rationale behind the Crucifiction and Resurrection of the character Jesus of Nazareth.
Of course! Which branch of science do you think has the tools to adequately explain historical events?
Is this a leading question, Branyan?
Nope.
I just need to know which scientific rationale you are fishing for.
It is quite straightforward Branyan.
You believe the character Jesus of Nazareth is integral to existence as he is the source of creation.
Please explain how you arrive at this conclusion and explain the necessity of a crucifiction and a Resurrection.
You are at least obliged to demonstrate there is adequate evidence for these two events.
You have to demonstrate that the crucifiction and resurrection of the character Jesus of Nazareth are, in fact, historical events.
Can you do that?
You have to tell me which school of science you think will demonstrate those historical events. Can you do that?
They are unverified supernatural nonsense. What branch of science are you aware of Branyan that can demonstrate the veracity of such a claim?
None.
That’s why your question was stupid.
Exactly.
It was meant to be a stupid question.
Now we have established the bench mark for stupid questions, super – naturalism, let’s move on.
The crucificion and resurrection of the biblical character, Jesus of Nazareth are central to Collins worldview.
And yours too.
As he, like you, beleive this character is the creator of the universe, please explain why the two events – the crucifiction and the resurrection – are are paramount to this worldview/belief.
You intentionally asked a stupid question…LOL ! I don’t believe that for a second.
Let’s not “move on”. Do you not believe naturalism is true? How can you maintain faith that nature will eventually answer all questions when naturalism is the ‘bench mark for stupid questions’?
…you should have just colored the troll.
Of course you don’t beleive it, because you have a habit of lying so you immediately think this of others.
Now, as you beleive that the biblical character, jesus of nazareth is the creator of the universe, explain why the crucifiction and resurrection are crucial aspects of your worldview
Lol!!!
Do you not believe naturalism is true? How can you maintain faith that nature will eventually answer all questions when naturalism is the ‘bench mark for stupid questions’?
And this is why you have to rely on faith.
And why you have to beleive you are a sinner and are going to heaven.
Seriously, stick to Christian comedy.
You confessed faith in naturalism.
Then declared naturalism as the bench mark for stupid questions!
LOL!
Now color your troll.
Truly, you must suffer from some form of arrested development.
LOLOLOL!
Here’s a summary of your argument:
I’m sorry, were you unable to read the quoted text?
Seriously, you must be retarded in some way.
Even the average fundy is not as big an idiot s you are.
And now it’s ad hominem!
LOLOLOLOLO!
Science has the answers!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Ad hominem, where? How dare you!
Okay. That’s dull.
You’re dismissed now.
Amazing how shallow your arguments become the moment you are called out.
This is probably a direct reflection of your own character, Branyan, and how eventually you are reduced to being disingenuous if not telling outright lies.
In truth, you are nothing but a pitiful indoctrinated fool.
LOLOLOLOL!
You didn’t call me out!
I told no lies!
You’re dismissed!
(Go. Seriously. You have embarrassed yourself and your ‘science’.)
Of course you told lies. You lie on such a regular basis you probably would not actually recognise the truth if it hid in the grass and leapt up and bit you in the backside.
If you are unable to differentiate between the words, naturalism and super-naturalism then maybe you need something to straighten out your thinking processes?
May I suggest an enema?
Oh! You have a point!
What’s the difference between naturalism and super-naturalism?
JB – Don’t fall for Douglas-e Fresh’s enema question. It’s an obvious ploy for him to see your rectum.
~
Whew!
Good thing you showed up when you did.
Fortunately, Dig-Dug has already crashed hard today so I’m not inclined to take any of his suggestions too seriously.
Wow, Jon, I disagree with both of you, but anyone can see that Arkenaten was trying to have a rational and polite conversation with you. You really just were being a jerk to someone who is not a believer. That is a horrible witness to this person. I advise you to pray about this.
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/10/10/youre-shocked-then-youre-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-6912
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/10/02/making-a-trucker-stop-trucking/comment-page-1/#comment-6479
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/christians-please-quit-your-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5843
https://appliedfaith.org/2015/07/12/what-i-learned-about-hardened-hearts/
I’m sure you can understand JB, that once you accept the concept of human evolution, the idea portrayed in Genesis and the Bible that God created mankind from the dirt and breathed life into him in a single day, single act of creation becomes a myth. A myth that all of the characters in the bible, including a supposed all knowing man/god jesus, believed as fact.
That’s why as a Christian, a biblically consistent and honest one anyway, one cannot accept evolution and still accept the Bible in any literal way as explanation for the way reality actually is.
Francis Collins is a scientist who holds to his christianity by faith by ignoring the glaring inconsistencies between what he knows to be true and what he must ‘believe to be True ™’ as part of his religion.
One cannot be both a true scientist and a True Christian.
-kia
I’m sure you can understand, Mike, that Francis Collins professing Christianity demonstrates that science and religion are NOT completely incompatible.
Of course, as always, you will find an open forum here on my blog. I’m always eager to hear new philosophies! Please enlighten me with your current worldview so I can understand how to believe in God without abandoning science.
cognitive dissonance. it’s easy to hold two opposite and conflicting ideas in ones mind when one really doesn’t care for the truth. problem is… i care. have a great day.
I care too. That’s why I asked the question.
How does your current worldview avoid cognitive dissonance?
34: 29 ”….died on the cross and rose from the dead ….”
Tells you everything you need to know really.
39:29..”…..Darwin’s theory is fundamentally right on target ..”
1:26: Moral law and spiritualism
1:27. ”Belief in a god is a crutch …..”