Then an angel appeared and said:
“Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. You will get together with loved ones and feel kinship for the entire month of December!”
And it has come to pass!
People around the world have received the angel’s message
Christmas is easily the fuzziest, snuggly-est, smiley-est, cheery-est time of the year.
The godless heathen who despise everything about Christianity…celebrate Christmas. The humanist mantra, “Be good for goodness sake!” is the perfect sentiment for a spiritless Christmas.
The heathen win big-time at Christmas.
“We don’t believe in your God, but we’ll take the day off work anyway!”
The godless heathen benefit from Christian holidays…but they don’t give us any celebrations in return.
There aren’t any Humanist/Atheist holidays.
No cards featuring pictures of Charles Darwin.
Nobody sings, “We Wish You Some Kind of Purpose.”
The closest thing they have is ‘Earth Day’.
…and I bet you can’t say when it is without looking it up.
So why aren’t there any humanist/atheist holidays?
Because those holidays would suck.
Atheism is an empty void, a vacuum.
Vacuums suck.
Literally, nothing to celebrate.
So they celebrate Christmas…
…without any of the stuff that makes Christmas a celebration.
They pantomime ‘cheer’ and ‘joy’ and ‘peace’.
They pretend that people matter in the darkness of space.
They replace the reason for Christmas with vague platitudes:
“Sharing moments with the people you love…that’s what Christmas is.”
No.
The angel appeared and said:
“Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. “
The savior is the crucial element that drives the Christmas frenzy.
(Though Black Friday is catching up fast.)
The angels didn’t rejoice “for goodness sake”.
They rejoiced for Jesus sake.
Jesus opened the way to God.
And the event was so amazingly joyous…
…even the heathen are affected.
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Aaaaaand there you have it, ladies and gentlemen of the God-believing persuasion! Let it be known: Ark’s interpretation of the Bible is THE ONLY interpretation, which means God can only ever be an egotistical genocidal maniac, which makes you an idiot for believing in Him to be any way. The great Ark can never be wrong, and he will never consider the idea that he could be; nor entertain an opposing position to his point of view. Any mention of the God of the Bible will only result in him putting his fingers in his ears and screaming “Egotistical! Genocide! Maniac!” at the top of his lungs. Do not expect any further worthwhile discussion.
This has been a public service announcement for those who might have missed the blatantly obvious.
Is it? You have scientific evidence for this statement, Branyan? I’d be very interested to read what ever you got.
Ark McChattypants –
Is it NOT? Why are you so intolerant of genocide? Please provide some scientific evidence that proves genocide is wrong.
You’re fun.
~CQW
In actual fact, I truly believe you have a carrot stuck up your rectum and based on your comments and general blog behavior you will have to provide evidence to dispel this notion.
So, have you remembered the name of your god yet?
“In actual fact, I truly believe you have a carrot stuck up your rectum and based on your comments and general blog behavior you will have to provide evidence to dispel this notion.”
In actual fact, I’m sure you’d love a photo of my rectum as “evidence to dispel this notion.” BUTT I’ll pass.
Anyway – Why are you so intolerant of genocide? Please provide some scientific evidence that proves genocide is wrong.
I’m sure you can do that, can’t you Ark?
~CQW
Is it, Johnny?
Do you have a particular example in mind?
Holy moly, this thread makes me want to scratch my eyeballs out. So many words, and so little being said. If this is Ark’s way of teaching people, if he has any kids, it’s a God’s wonder they know how to read (and it wouldn’t be due to his expertise). Honestly I would consider your position if you actually bothered to back up your claims instead of sitting there like an automated drinking fountain spouting opinions without any documentation or reference. Do you truly think that we will simply take your word for it? Honestly, not even WE believe you’ll do the same for us. For someone who puts so much store by “provable evidence”, you’ve got zilch, Ark. The only thing that gets proven in these threads is how infantile a lack of belief in God is, and that’s disrespectful to all infants.
how infantile a lack of belief in God …
And, purely out of interest, exactly which qod would this be, Jasmine?
“And, purely out of interest, exactly which god would this be, Jasmine?”
Chitty chitty chat chat … chat chat chat.
~CQW
Ah, Senor Dipshit. Again, replying from the the drop down so not able to follow your link.
I take it you don’t know which god either?
Chit chat
So, which god, then, Senor Dipstick? As you are obviously the clever one in your church.
@the ark house of rebellion
Ooh oh can I play?
Told you a hundred times there are a thousand gods who collectively cannot count to four or tie their shoes. They can neither make a peanut, an elephant ear, or a fingernail for that matter.
However, there is one God, who is above all, before whom all men will bow, today in gladness, or later in misery, and that is by virtue of the singular name and worth of the Lord Jesus Christ.
But if I were you, I would not be concerned with His name, if you don’t even give Him the courtesy of existing.
Excellent! So, once again, what’s the name of this god?
Isn’t your mum a believer? Ask her.
I believe she is away at the moment.
What do you call this god?
I don’t stutter ark. ‘god’s are a dime a dozen, they don’t talk, can’t see, haven’t created a toothpick, and are as useless as an eagle’s nest to a duck.
The God of scripture, as clearly presented, has several names, all dependent on the relationship.
Do your own homework. But rest assured, there are no defects in God.
No defects?
This is the god, Yahweh we are talking about I presume, yes?
And you consider there is nothing untoward about a misogynistic, baby killing, egotistical genocidal maniac?
Not so sure I like the company you keep CS.
I’m five steps ahead of you ark.
As I said: ‘while believing none of it, they want answers from all of it.’
Can I give you a clue? And God saw that His creation was………….very good. Then stuff happened.
Hmmm. You may want to look into the facts of life. It is written you know.
Is this yet another example of your rhetorical flatulance, CS?
Come now, why would an intelligent chap such as you genuflect to a baby killing monster?
Or is the god you worship a different god?
What is your god’s name if not Yahweh, CS?
Here ya go ark, courtesy of King David, regarding the manifestation of God:
With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;
With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.–
Soooooooo, which camp you are in will determine how you view God. Notice the capital ‘G.’
See ya.
Right, so what is the name of your god,CS, if not the egotistical baby’killer, Yahweh?
You seem somewhat embarrassed to be associated with this god for some reason?
I’m not in the habit of telling people how to live their lives. But since you’ve already plumbed the depths of Dougy-Boy’s intellectual pool, I suggest asking him a question.
On what basis does he pass judgment on any misogynistic, egotistical, genocidal maniac? Isn’t genocide nature’s way of weeding out the weak?
He won’t answer, of course. But he will keep responding, believing that he’s scoring some intellectual points. Many of the readers here enjoy watching him immolate himself.
‘On what basis?’ Ah yes, a fine question.
I know, right?
The consistent atheist shouldn’t have a problem with genocide. It’s part of the ‘survival of the fittest’ thing.
That Doug keeps asking you to account for various ‘evils’ is a powerful testimony to the uselessness of his worldview.
Praise the Lord!
“They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them…” 🙂
John,
I am beginning to really wonder why unbelievers are increasingly quaking in fear of all things Christian, Christmas included.
I mean, really. Are they afraid that, if left unchecked, we will take over the country and have all unbelievers put to death or force them to live under a theocratic rule where they are forced to hear prayer in public and see the oppressive vision of the Ten Commandments in courtrooms? Will they be subjected to the unthinkable, where praising God in public would be the norm, and people would not need the government for welfare, but the free outpouring of love and sharing from churches? Would they cry in the streets to find out that their children were taught Scripture in school? The horror, the horror! Such tyranny, such torture. Flee to the hills. to the hills, I say!
Note to the unbelievers: We are not that organized or even in 100% agreement on matters of doctrine. So if your fears come true, and we rule the world, we would likely spend our time bickering about church music or cessationism or modes of baptism, and other non-essential points of dispute. There would be no time to round up the heathen and tell them to convert or die.
Perhaps we should take a page out of the other side’s book, and use buzzwords for the unbelievers, like theophobic, or Christophobic, or logosophobic, or maybe even soteriophobic, if you are a Bible College nerd like me.
So while the unbeliever is at home, quaking in fear that some cherubic Christian neighbor kids might dare oppress them by knocking on their door and singing Christmas Carols about the true meaning of Christmas, I will be making my homemade eggnog and watching a virtual Yule log, and singing along (to the dismay of the dog) with the celebration of my Savior’s birth.
Dave
Isaiah 9:6 (ESV)
For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called[b]
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
—————————————————————–
Jesaja 9: 6 (ESV)
Want ‘n kind gebore word,
om vir ons ‘n seun gegee;
en die heerskappy is op sy skouer,
en sy naam moet genoem
Wonderbaar, Raadsman, Sterke God,
Ewige Vader, Vredevors.
(The above is courtesy of Google Translate… no guarantee on the accuracy)
For the Christians who have ever been intimidated by internet Atheists:
The earliest reference to a Pagan holiday on Dec. 25th is the Chronography of 354. (It’s a calendar of the year AD 354, and it lists the celebration of the birth of their Sun God, “Invictus.”)
However, there is record from the Christian scholar, Hippolytus of Rome, dated to AD 204. In his Commentary on the Book of Daniel, Hippo wrote:
“For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th, Wednesday, while Augustus was in his forty-second year, but from Adam, five thousand and five hundred years…”
Again–that was written 150 years before the calendar of 354 mentions a pagan feast on that day.
Now, I don’t happen to agree with the dating system he used. Personally, I don’t care what specific day tradition says Christ was born. (And, no matter when the early Christians chose to celebrate, it would have been close to a pagan holiday. The Romans had a LOT of deities and a LOT of feasts!)
But any time you hear an Atheist argue, “Christians stole the holiday from Pagans” or something along those lines, be sure to ask for their source.
*Ark fiercely Googles for a response*
The Athiests do have a holiday…April 1st!
“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.” ~ Psalms 14:1
Therefore, April 1st (April Fools’ Day) is the Athiest’s holiday.
Now that’s funny
Here’s a question (which Ark will Google before refusing to answer at all)– which pagan god was celebrated on Dec. 25th?
So, why do you celebrate a Pagan Festival?
I don’t.
So you don’t celebrate xmas then?
Are you one of the old school Puritan Christians?
No pagan holidays or festivals were celebrated on December 25th before Christians reserved that date for Christ.
And there was no mention of this date for at least 300 years.
Why do you think this is?
Also, why do you think the Puritans flatly rejected this as a Christian holiday?
You asked why I celebrate a Pagan festival, and I answered. I don’t.
You can come up with as many conspiracy theories as you want. The fact is, you have no historical proof that pagan festivals came before the Church’s celebration of Christmas on Dec. 25th. For all you know, the pagans copied the Christians rather than the other day around!
Hilarious.
”You asked why I celebrate a Pagan festival, and I answered. I don’t.”
Yes, you do.
*Ark fiercely Googles for a response*
Did that a long while back. Sorry.
I realise this will make you stick your bottom lip out and pout because you are not the one and only christian to believe they know everything.
If you’re going to intelligently answer my statement that you have no historical proof that pagan festivals came first, you’re going to need to Google.
Otherwise, you’re looking pretty silly right now.
Compared to you looking silly em>all the time ?
I consider this a reasonable trade off.
As you know very well the origins, plus the fact there is no mention of the birth date of the biblical godman for at least three centuries you will have to try just a teensy, weensy bit harder than that to make your case.
Unless, of course, whining was the option you were going for?
In that case, you succeeded wonderfully.
I literally have no idea what you’re talking about.
Are you going to provide some sources that show pagan holidays being celebrated on Dec. 25th, prior to the Christians celebrating Christmas on that day?
Or….no?
”I literally have no idea what you’re talking about.”
Well now is the perfect opportunity to cure your self-induced ignorance.
The festival is Pagan. Period.
Now go and research why this particular date was decided upon.
Go on…. learn something!
It’ll be a fun and for you, quite novel, experience, I’m sure.
Clue: It has nothing to do with frigging cowsheds, mangers or three wise men.
Unless, of course, you are maybe thinking Mithra?
BAHAHAHAHA!
“The festival is pagan. Period. Now go prove it for me.”
Here’s the truth, Ark: I don’t know what you’re talking about because you don’t either. lol.
I know perfectly well what I am talking about,thanks all the same..
You seem to assume that, when it comes to history, and especially the history of your religion, no non-Christian could possibly know more than you do.
Well…oops. Why do you think so many are now ex-Christians?
Clue: It wasn’t the Devil wot made them do it. Honest.
Although whining does seem to be your forte, along with an over reliance on capitals and exclamation marks, you ought not to give your opponents as much ammo as you do.
Go do a bit of research, Amanda.
Or rt least make a pretense. Just for the look of the thing.
You seem to assume, when it comes to history, especially the history of my religion, that no Christian could POSSIBLY know more than you do.
Well…oops. Why do you think so many convert to Christianity?
I’ve done my research, Ark.
That’s how I know you’re ignorant.
The Church didn’t hijack a Pagan holiday. If you’re going to make the claim that they did, you have to offer evidence.
Well…oops. Why do you think so many convert to Christianity?
Childhood indoctrination, fear of death, guilt, peer pressure, cultural pressure to name a few.
Why did you become a Christian?
It sure as hell was not based on verifiable evidence! 🙂
The Church didn’t hijack a Pagan holiday. If you’re going to make the claim that they did, you have to offer evidence.
But we all know which festival this was, don’t we , Amanda?
Now stop being naughty and acknowledge it as well.
Or are you truly saying you are as ignorant as you are coming across as at the moment?
That’s what I thought.
#NoEvidence
You are so funny!
Don’t you ever read bother reading the history of your religion, or did you simply sit in your high chair and later the pew and swallow all that stuff you were force fed?
You are so funny!
Don’t you ever bother to actually support anything you say??? Or do you simply sit in your computer chair and swallow all the stuff you read on Atheist blogs or see on YouTube?
Oh,not at all.
I generally research and study.
Remember, unlike you, I do not belong to a death cult that rips off its key tenets and much of its doctrine from other ancient cults and religions.
So, are you going to admit that you knew all along that Christmas was originally a Pagan Holiday/Festival, or are you simply going to parrot comments and whine incessantly?
No–Christmas was NOT originally a Pagan holiday/festival.
You haven’t proven it was because…*drum roll*…it wasn’t.
Still whining?
Not winning you any kudos, Amanda.
You know what the the word Christmas means, I take it?
If whining=refusing to let you make claims without backing them up, then yes.
Still whining.
Lol.
You know what the earliest record of a Pagan holiday on Dec. 25th is, I take it?
You’re still whining.
I thought you didn’t rush off to Google at the drop of a prayer book?
Nope.
I Google every time we have a conversation, because I learned to fact-check you on everything.
And, every time I do, it turns out you’re wrong.
So, you know what the earliest record of a Pagan holiday on Dec. 25th is? Go ahead and guess a date. How far back can we prove that Pagans celebrated one of their gods on Dec. 25th?
Still whining Amanda.
Are you going to wallow in semantics at any moment?
I can’t wait! It should be so exciting.
You are so funny the way you desperately try to prove how infallible your religion is.
Really, if it wasn’t so comical the way you sometimes behave it would be quite sad.
Be careful or before long you might end up sounding like Colourstorm, and that is almost something I can hardly bear thinking about. *Shudders*
The Christians incorporated a pagan festival and added bits and bobs as they went along.
And that’s all there is to it.
There is no record of the birth date of the man-god, the character, Jesus of Nazareth and for a damn good reason as well!
Try to work it out.
This will help you figure out why xmas
incorporated a Pagan festival and Pagan traditions.
Mithraism is also well worth looking up.
So–no–you don’t know the earliest date a Pagan holiday is recorded on Dec. 25th.
Thanks for playing, Old Man!
Still whining, Amanda. I am amazed it took you so long to insert an insult.
Well, credit for a least trying to maintain the illusion of intellect.
Doesn’t it bother you that your religion incorporated pagan traditions simply because they couldn’t get it over the line?
If they made this part up what else do you think they are bullshitting about?
That would worry me.
Why doesn’t it worry you?
Indoctrination or do you simply not care?
I’ve made my point. I’ll make no further responses to you on this thread.
Yes, you made a point. But it was incorrect; which is something you should be used to by now.
Tell me why it doesn’t bother you that the holiday you celebrate is simply made up and incorporates paganism?
Winter solstice, Yule, etc. etc., blah blah blah. Ark celebrates at the 2:32 mark.
~CQW
Ark Garfunkle is angry with me because he knows I know about Yule and Mithra–but I won’t make his case for him. 🙂
The idea that Christians settled on Dec. 25th BECAUSE of Winter Solstice and Yule is just Atheist wishful thinking, though…
I am following from the drop down, Senor Dipshit. Are you referencing Mark 9 2-32?
P.S. LOL! 2:32 DOES kind of look like Ark… “Even white boys got ta shout!”
”He always loses.”
hilarious!
I like that question: why aren’t there any atheist holidays?
and of course their answer would be: because with godlessness driving the narrative, everyday is a holiday. Yeah, sure, sell that to the brain dead maybe.
You cant even say the word Christmas, without a reference to Christ, like it or not. That must be torture for an atheist to ‘put up trees,’ ‘lights,’ and just respect the word ’tis the season,.’ while at the same time denying the root of the matter according to the scriptures.
Bethlehem! Nazareth! Calvary! Sin. Angels. Life. Death. It’s easier to believe the scriptures are true, than for a man to believe he will live to see tomorrow.
I think you will find it was the Christians who hijacked this (originally) Pagan festival. So one has to ask, why do you celebrate it?
I celebrate the truth of scripture. The festivity of lights, etc, good cheer, are not evil except to the weak minded.
No Christian on earth worships a tree; yet on the other hand are well aware of ‘cursed is every man that hangeth on a tree………….’. with full reference to He who was suspended on the middle tree.
Christ was lit up as it were, by the powers that be. In pure mockery, but lo and behold, they did also not know they were crucifying the Lord of glory.
Such is the testimony of truth.
Yes, but why do celebrate this all on the 25th December ? This was originally a pagan holiday.
Be that as it is; just for the record,Colorstorm, exactly when was the character, Jesus of Nazareth born.
Do you know? And how do you know.
There is much debate by very good people re. the exact day, and in the wisdom of God, like the secrecy of the body of Moses………….maybe God knew people would make another golden calf.
Matters not, other than what happened in Bethlehem (the house of bread) ended at Golgotha’s hill (the place of the skull).
I agree, and of course you are free to make up whatever nonsense about this period that you wish.
But to openly deride non-Christians when you as a Christian are celebrating a pagan holiday smacks of the highest hypocrisy.
In fact there is no reference to this being the date of the birth of the biblical character for hundreds of years.
And many of the first lot to arrive on the shores of the US of Eh? did not celebrate it and at one time it was banned in several places.
So much for christian unity (yawn).
So, once again, if you do not know when the character was born and fail to at least offer the name of anyone more knowledgeable on this issue that you, why do you celebrate a Pagan Festival?
Unity? Ha. Let’s talk about the unity of things which are irrefutable.
-Christ was born in a stable
-Mary was there
-Joseph was there
-He lived
-He gave sight to the blind, and pointed out the blindness of the seeing…..
-He made the deaf to hear, and pointed out the fingers in the ears of the ‘professional hypocrites….’
-The raging seas obeyed His voice to ‘be still.’
-He died
-He lived again
-Many witnessed His life and death and life again.
-Many so called ignorant people would put your hero scholars to shame today.
But Christmas? A pleasant reminder that scripture is true.
Excellent! Now, why do you celebrate a Pagan Festival?
Well at least you are admitting that Christ lived according to the scriptures right?
If not, then you have no case. If so, you have more troubling concerns.
Perhaps you have not read in the scriptures: unto the pure all things are pure.
Tis quite a fright fest for you to traffic in a book you have no use for, believing none of it, yet wanting answers from all of it.
There may be a medical condition for that, then again, Dr. Luke has written all about the Christmas account. Read it, and all your questions will be answered.
Hid accounting is far better than mine.
Really?Where did I state I admitted anything?
Christmas account?
Where does it say Christmas?
And once more, why do you celebrate a Pagan Festival?
Here doug. In plain words. Where does it ‘say’ Christmas?
Nowhere. EVERYWHERE.
‘Unto us a child is born Unto us a son is given.’ WONDERFUL.
Maybe you need to rethink Handel’s Messiah. Apparently many people had no issue sharing their inspiration.
As to your ‘pagan,’ it appears you are confusing the gods of Krylon, Orlon, Rayon, Crayon, and Nikon………..with the only living God.
Do yourself a favor. Actually think what is handed to you before your load your auto pen.
Maybe you need to consider too that ‘Christmas’ is one more opportunity for people to see that God is for us in the person of Christ.
Nowhere to hide, even in December.
I don’t know whether you’re following along down-thread, CS.
But Doug is struggle to back up his claims (again). 😉
Thanks for your thoughts, CS.
A fun game you might want to play here is, “Try to get an atheist confess a belief”. Ark doesn’t get to ask all the questions. See if he’ll tell you his thoughts on Christmas. I bet he won’t.
He’s all yours. lol
No! We’ve played that game countless times. He always loses.
Just makes me wince when you put so much effort and thought into your replies when he’s just going to fire another banal question back at you.
Give yourself a Christmas gift! Ask Ark to defend a claim!
Tkx john B.
I do agree with you that he is receiving gift after gift of solid thinking by many of us, but he deflects, accuses, misinterprets, ignores, and pretends that scripture is not true.
Now that’s comedy!! With apologies to fine comedians everywhere…..
Should that not be: ”Try to get an atheist to confess a belief”. ?
Not only do they not have holidays… but they don’t have no songs!
Dave
Psalm 96:1-3 (ESV)
Oh sing to the Lord a new song;
sing to the Lord, all the earth!
Sing to the Lord, bless his name;
tell of his salvation from day to day.
Declare his glory among the nations,
his marvelous works among all the peoples!