You can’t get anything from a void.
If you agree with this statement, you can skip the rest of this article.
I’ve been assured, once again that Atheism is void.
If the statement above is true, it didn’t come from Atheism.
A null set doesn’t contain words.
Specifically, it doesn’t contain the words: “atheism is a null set”.
So the belief that atheism is a null set MUST come from some other worldview.
In fact, according to our Dear Leader (tildeb), nothing comes from atheism.
That’s what null set offers.
Nothing.
But then…
Our intrepid atheist turns around and says this:
(angel added for emphasis)
Hmm…
It seems Dear Leader has introduced something into the null set.
We cannot abide this!
Atheism is (by your own definition) amoral.
Atheism contains nothing.
If it is, as you assert, a LACK of beliefs…
…it is necessarily a lack of morals.
Atheism is amoral.
Does this bother you?
Do you feel you are entitled to some morality?
Too bad. So sad.
There is no such thing as a ‘moral atheist’.
I’d suggest you ditch the useless void of atheism.
You can’t get goodness from a null set.
Get a worldview that will allow you to define right and wrong in some objective way.
Or don’t.
But you should at least quit accusing me of being the irrational one.
**UPDATE**
Thank you to Tildeb, John Zande and Arkenaten for commenting below.
I deeply appreciate their efforts to demonstrate the veracity of this post.
If I didn’t know better, I’d think you have some morals!
ALSO:
John Zande has finally admitted to not believing in right and wrong.
This is great progress and he should be congratulated for bravely admitting what we already knew:
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Holy dooly, you guys were on fire this post. I missed both the party, AND the caged animal cheese soup. I am so disappointed.
I ate some soup in your honor, Jasmine! 🙂
Father God, you are the supreme transcendent Lord of all creation, thank you for John and Amanda, Lord I pray you bless their work and strengthen them, Lord, thank you for this blog, that you’re bringing darkness into the light, and using your son and daughter to proclaim your truth. God, I pray for the lost souls who need to know you, Lord, I pray for the blinders to be taken off and your truth to be revealed. God, help them see. You are so GOOD! in Jesus’ mighty mighty name, AMEN
Atheist philosopher Richard Taylor:
“The modern age, more or less repudiating the idea of a divine lawgiver, has nevertheless tried to retain the ideas of moral right and wrong, not noticing that, in casting God aside, they have also abolished the conditions of meaningfulness for moral right and wrong as well. Thus, even educated persons sometimes declare that such things as war, or abortion, or the violation of certain human rights, are ‘morally wrong,’ and they imagine that they have said something true and significant. Educated people do not need to be told, however, that questions such as these have never been answered outside of religion.”
I see you continue to have a language problem, JB differentiating the ‘a‘ in atheism from an ‘im‘. You continue to import meaning into the term ‘atheism’ – a term that according to the Oxford English dictionary means a lack of belief in gods or a god – in order to argue that that meaning must also be lacking.
No. This is a comprehension problem on your part yet again.
Let’s look at the term ‘amoral’. The Oxford English dictionary defines this term to be “Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.”
There’s that important aspect from the prefix ‘a’ that you continue to disregard: a LACK.
Amoral means something different from immoral and this difference matters in correctly comprehending the reference to what is lacking.
Now let’;s look at ‘immoral’. The OED defines it as “not conforming to accepted standards of morality’. There’s your negative you’re so desperately trying to import to atheism. But it’s not there, JB. The prefix is wrong for your intentions to define atheism as a negative belief. The term ‘atheism’ does have a meaning and that meaning is a description about a lack of belief in gods or a god in the same way the term amoral describes a lack of a moral sense. That’s it. That’s the whole thing.
But look how much effort you’re expending trying desperately to get atheism to mean a belief in no gods or a god. Your aim appears dedicated to import and impose a belief to the term itself rather than admit that the term simply describes a lack of belief. This raises a more important question, namely, why be so dishonest, JB?
Your motive seems pretty obvious to me: you have no wish to be clear, no desire to be accurate, no concern with proper language usage. None of these serve your goal. You goal seems pretty obvious that you (and your parroting daughter) are determined to vilify those who lack a belief in your god by association. But to do this, you must first torture the language and refuse to correct this dishonest tactic so that you can then paint atheists themselves to be immoral by definition.
Fuck off, JB.
Your intention reveals your character and the character of those moral morons who go along with your artificially based vilification. It’s not a question of niceness at all. It’s a question of lacking character on your part to do this time after time. You seek to smear the character of others – real people, real individuals – by group association… a group that you have first defined to be immoral. That’s a picture perfect example of intentional discrimination. What’s sad is that you think – and those who so readily and so stupidly agree with you – this deceit is pious. Really? I think it breaks a commandment not to bear false witness. Yet that’s exactly what you’re doing, JB, but against a very large number of real people whose great crime is to lack a belief – a belief that you like to paint yourself as having but then act contrary to its moral direction in the name of your own twisted and small-minded vindictive goal.
You need to do a rethink. There’s something badly out of kilter here. And you own it.
And Dear Leader makes three!
I didn’t interchange amoral and immoral. So you’re (again) arguing against a point nobody is making.
…and where did that gigantic response come from? You’ve taught us that it’s not atheism.
You roasted him, and then started kicking his corpse?!
Have mercy, Dad. 🙂
He roasted himself.
Simply admitting that he believes things will turn down the heat immediately.
When you lack belief in The Source of EVERYTHING, it poses more than a few problems.
“You mean I have to believe in God to be moral?!”
No–you can keep borrowing from religion, without giving God credit, as often as you want. 🙂
He’s annoyed because I called him out for said borrowing. Atheism is so stupid it’s amazing that Tildeb passionately ‘defends’ it. Why get so worked up about a null set?
He’s LITERALLY crying about nothing.
Personally, my favorite part of his sermon was this one:
If Atheists believe in morals, you would think THAT would be a good place to say so. But, instead–he mentions “commandments” and accuses you of not acting like a very good Believer. LOL!!!! Can’t make this up.
Yes. He wrote a compelling rebuttal to his own thesis. And then tells me I’m the one who is ‘sad’.
No, I didn’t roast myself: I pointed out that it is you – YOU – importing a moral sense to atheISM and then applying that lack of morality to atheISTS as if the two are connected. They are not. That is the fiction you peddle..
An Atheist is amoral.
Not fiction. You said so yourself.
Liar. I agree that atheism as a lack of belief in gods or a god is as amoral as it is lacking a saber tooth tiger or a love of tacos. It’s you YOU – who keeping importing and then attaching to atheism whatever best serves your malicious purpose in vilifying atheists.
Atheism is a null set. You said so yourself. I’m just holding your hand trying to help you realize the futility of making a null set the cornerstone of your worldview.
And shucks, you still haven’t explained how it’s possible to vilify a void. I’ve got nothing against nothing!
Well golly gee whiz, ah shucks, JB, Who knew you cared so much about my worldview? It’s news to me that I’ve derived it from atheism – something we both agree contains no beliefs about anything – but, hey, you’d know because you’re so damn pious. Yup, you just know all about atheism and what it really contains because you’re John Branyan and your daughter thinks you’re just the best.
For the umpteenth time, you’re criticizing the ISM with stuff you bring to it and then smearing the ISTS as if they own it. That’s why you are liar, JB. That’s why you are bearing flase witness against others… not the ISMs but the ISTs.
Ok.
So atheISTS do not engage in atheISM.
Right?
Sure you did, JB: “There is no such thing as a ‘moral atheist’.”
The only way that makes sense is if you’re playing your word game again and importing a meaning of ‘immoral’ in place of amoral and deriving that from atheism.
I know the point is going to be lost on those who presume your import of morality is in any way connect to atheism and therefore true by definition. Hey, some people are so befuddled and enamored of your religious beliefs that they cannot think clearly and will go along with any bullshit like this you write. But because atheism brings nothing with it regarding morality – it is simply a lack of belief in gods or a god – does not mean atheists are not moral. All it means is that atheism does NOT import any sense of morality whatsoever contrary to your repeated assertions and only in this strict sense is atheism itself amoral. But we’re not talking about atheism itself as a lack of belief in gods or a god, are we JB? You are referring to atheists specifically as amoral people.
And that’s bullshit.
Atheism is and remains a null set regarding belief in gods or a god, an identifier that one LACKS a belief in gods or a god. YOU are the one importing this hypothetical connection to morality. YOU. Not atheists. YOU. YOU are the one telling others that “There is no such thing as a ‘moral atheist’.”
That’s a lie. A falsehood. An intentional smear against the character of any atheist for their lack of belief in gods or a god. That means you are accusing them of being Immoral by definition. as in “unconcerned with the principles of right and wrong behaviour.” That’s how you keep using it in post after post after post while receiving commentary that goes along and promotes this lie. You never, ever, correct this lie, correct the assumption between amoral and immoral regarding those who lack a belief in gods or a god. You say stuff like this to vilify and bear false witness against your neighbour. No theist on this site corrects you. Ever. And you think yourself pious for continuing to be a liar, to be in a position of inserting the little devil dancing across the top of this post. You’re the deceiver here, spreading this lie and others while pretending it has nothing to do with what you – YOU – import to atheism and then apply to real people who identify as atheists.
That’s repugnant and you should be ashamed of yourself, ashamed that you have taught your daughter. to be equally malicious aND VINDICTIVE AND FULL OF PRIDE FOR .
That others like your daughter go along with what you believers would call an intentional breaking of a commandment to smear the character of others who do not share your belief in this god or that one may be seem pious in the minds of the stupid and dull-witted but it is and remains deceitful and malicious in intent. That’s all it is; the mean-spirited words of a very small minded and scared little boy.
What’s wrong with lying?
What’s wrong with piety and pride?
And how is it possible to vilify a null set?
These are the questions on the table.
Rage all you want, Dear Leader. You have not answered any of them.
Maybe try stomping your feet as you type.
Seriously.
You need to have a meeting with JZ and Ark so you can indoctrinate those guys with your reality.
Maybe, with your guidance, they’ll stop agreeing with me about atheism being free of moral convictions.
And maybe, if you spend a millisecond thinking about it, you can explain to me how it’s possible to ‘vilify’ a null set.
Because you’re vilifying real people, you nit. You are associating a lack of belief in gods or a god with a lack of moral concern. That’s then lie you’re selling.
It’s not a lie that atheism has no morality, you nit.
You guys get together and figure out what you’re trying to say and then present your case. Maybe use some charts…
News Flash for JB!
Atheism is a lack of belief in gods or a god. Atheists lack a belief in gods or a god. All the rest is imported by you.
Just because atheism has nothing whatsoever to say about the usefulness of bicycles, for example, doesn’t mean all atheists have nothing to say about the usefulness of bicycles. That you can’t wrap that nit-sized brain of yours around this fact and so keep making this thinking mistake over and over and over (while urging those who are pointing out the obvious relevant point to get together and prepare some charts to explain this apparently complex idea to the big brained people who have such difficulty grasping the obvious) is far too sad observation about you to even be funny to me. The state of your ability to either comprehend or utilize luculent language correctly is just sad.
News Flash Dear Leader
A lack of belief in gods or a god IS NOT the same as a null set.
That you can’t wrap that nit-sized brain of your around this fact blah, blah, blah…
You kept insisting that atheism has no content. Morality is content. Why are you so pissed about this? Perhaps your double-minded inconsistency is fracturing your composure…
You know who else is a nit? Atheist Richard Taylor: “Contemporary writers in ethics, who blithely discourse upon moral right and wrong and moral obligation without any reference to religion, are really just weaving intellectual webs from thin air; which amounts to saying that they discourse without meaning.”
Sounds like he is talking about you, Tildeb! 😀
QUIT VILIFYING TILDEB!
(Vilifying is what we do when we accept his definition of atheism and follow it to a logical end.)
If you’re going to be told you’re “vilifying” no matter what you say, then you might as well go all out. That’s my opinion.
*Clears throat*
There are only a handful of truly thoughtful Atheists in the world, who really UNDERSTAND what a “lack of belief in God” entails… and the rest of them are too lazy or too stupid to think through these things.
How’s THAT for vilification? 🙂
Why do atheists hate bicycles? That almost seems immoral.
~CQW
Tildeb
“What’s sad is that you think – and those who so readily and so stupidly agree with you – this deceit is pious.”
Well, let’s be serious here. Christians have been lying since day one, and calling the deception pious.
John Branyan’s deliberate lies are just following form.
After all, Eusebius of Caesarea (the seminal church historian, a Roman, a Bishop, translator, and fervent 4th Century apologist) just so happened to have titled the 32nd chapter of the 12th book of his Evangelical Preparation, “How it may be lawful and fitting to use falsehood as a medicine for the benefit of those who want to be deceived.”
John Branyan not only wants to be deceived, he’s actively participating in the deception. That is why he pens these pantomimes time after tuime after time.
It is sad. It is pathetic.
Lots of content here, Windbag. Where did you get all these words? Not from atheism!
Wow, those are some pretty serious allegations against Christians! If I didn’t know better, I would think that Atheists really, really believe lying and deceit are wrong! But where did that idea come from?
It’s sad and pathetic that you have bought into the human illusion.
Atheist Michael Ruse:
@JZ
You should actually charge them for such a history lesson, John.
Seriously, it would be easier to teach a chicken calculus than to expect some of these arseholes to have any integrity.
Well, to the wilfully ignorant (especially those who create pantomimes knowing they are false, but do so nonetheless) one can only serve lukewarm soup, with plastic spoons of course… We have to be careful that they don’t take their self-harming too far.
If Branyan is a full on beleiver then he is little more than a disgusting hypocrite.
If he is merely trawling for material to help his comedy act then he truly is a troubled individual.
And let’s remember that Mandy dear is a big fan of David Wood, s if it’s okay for him to bludgeon his father with a hammer it must be perfectly normal for god to enact genocide.
This is how they have formulated their morals and ethics.
*face palm*
I’m embarrassed for you.
I think it’s sweet how they hold each other while they mourn the death of their doctrine.
*snicker*
Well, God gave them empathy…
The morality free atheist is preaching about ethics!
Hilarious!
You think atheists do not have ethics or morals?
Yeah. That’s what you told us.
Really? And where did any atheist say they had not ethics or morals?
Hahahahahahaaaaa!
Isn’t that supposed to be in caps, Branyan?
You have repeatedly said atheism has no morality.
You’re arguing with yourself.
Correct. Atheism has no morality.
Are you struggling with comprehension as has been repeatedly pointed out to you?
Once again …
Atheism has no morality.
Are you clear now?
Right. That’s what I said!
We are agreed.
You should stop contradicting yourself.
I have not contradicted my elf once, Branyan.
You are as thick as you are not funny.
Whatever you say.
Thank you.
At last you are beginning to understand.
I realise it must be tough for you but at least you seem to be making an effort.
I already understand. Atheism is futile. Your thoughts are foolishness. Your rage is palpable. And you have nobody but yourself to blame.
Aw … meany. I was having so much fun laughing at your nonsense!
If atheism is futile does this mean you will eventually be going to Heaven, John?
The message of the cross is nonsense to those who are perishing.
The ”message” of the cross is nonsense period, other than to advertise that this is a pretty shitty way to be executed.
So, are you going to heaven then, John?
We are both going exactly where we want to go.
Quite. So do you beleive you will be spending eternity in the company of Jesus?
You don’t need my answer. Just say whatever you’re gonna say.
Why do you believe this?
Because everyone believes something.
But why Christianity? Why the belief in the afterlife?
Atheism is irrational.
Christianity is the best religion.
Based upon what?
Evidence.
You demonstrate that atheism is irrational.
Irrational in what way?
I bet JZ could write a soup recipe book and easily sell six copies.
~CQW
Easily.
Then he would write 17 reviews about the book’s awesomeness.
I’m literally hosting our 2nd Annual Soup-er Bowl Party in 3 hours…
JZ, if you have a good broccoli cheese, let me know! I’ll review it!
Let’s cut up some animals that were raised in cramped cages and add that to the cheese soup!
True story: I added Italian Sausage to the one that was supposed to be “vegetarian.”
I can’t help it. God made piggies taste too good!
I agree with Arkedummy AGAIN. JZ would be the perfect professor (tutor) to teach calculus to chickens.
~CQW
Remedial math, maybe. Not calculus.
JB
That’s immoral for you to attack JZ’s math skills.
Just sayin’.
I’ll be pulling for Manchester United in the Super Bowl.
~CQW
I always root for whoever is against Liverpool.
And if JZ’s math skills are on par with his reasoning skills, the chickens deserve a better education.
Why rage against something you don’t believe exist? God, morality, right, wrong, good, or bad…. Ever wonder why we feel strongly about anything….maybe a passion for truth was put there …. yes put there….
if this makes some upset…why so upset..
I don’t believe in right and wrong behaviourfor myself and others?
That’s interesting.
Thanks for letting me know that. I had no idea.
I’ve been telling you that for months!!
Glad you finally accept it.
I guess Buddhists aren’t concerned either… as they’re atheists.
Hear that sound?
It’s your pantomime collapsing.
Again.
Yes. Your pantomime has collapsed.
I guess JZ is converting to Buddhism?
Baby steps. 😉
He’ll never admit to any conversion.
That would prevent his book sales from ever reaching double digits.
Awhile back, he was quoting Jewish scholars when he thought it served his purpose.
Surely he’s not just using Jews and Buddhists to step on, and then discarding them as indoctrinated idiots later…
You think?
Well, it would be dishonest to do that but remember, JZ doesn’t believe in right or wrong behavior for himself or others.
So dishonesty doesn’t exist for the atheist.
So, yes. I think he’s lying…again.
I would think his conscience must bother him.
Oops! I forgot! The conscience is a religious construct, designed by power-hungry church leaders to exert control over laypeople.
I admire his free-thinking. 🙂
I agree with the ‘free’ part. Not sure about the ‘thinking’ part.
Buddhists don’t admit they’re religious?
They don’t use words like “Nature” in place of the word God, as if it changes the meaning?
That’s interesting. I had no idea.
Thanks for letting us know.
Windbag is upset because we refuse to let him insert beliefs (like ‘right’ and ‘wrong’) into his null set of atheism.
But we need to acknowledge that he has finally admitted his amoral position:
It’s not just us! Other ATHEISTS won’t let him get away with that either…
He ought to look into Buddhism more seriously. As he says, they are still Atheists…which means, at the end of the day, they are just as self-contradictory as the Atheists in this thread are.
But, at least he can put his toe in the water of spirituality and realize that ALL religion isn’t bad. In fact, ALL humans are religious… It’s just that Christians and Muslims AND BUDDHISTS are more honest about it.
You better go check with Tildeb before you post any more of this nonsense. He will not appreciate you bringing ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ into the null set of atheism. That is heresy of the highest order!
I’ve updated the post with your important revelation. Admitting that you don’t have a sense of morality is very brave. It’s going to upset Tildeb but so what? You don’t believe in wrong behavior so screw him, right?
Thanks for your help, Windbag!
Apparently not opinion-free. Apparently entitled to reject other worldviews and vociferously impose those opinions on others. Amazing.
Well said Brian.
~CQW
Evangelical Atheism… Pretty soon they will be knocking on people’s doors and handing out pamphlets and offering to walk you through the Godless Prayer: “Science explains it ALL. Evolution is a complicated process which leads us to right/wrong. Evolution is NOT another word for ‘God’.”
Amen.
You mean exactly as Christianity has been doing for nigh on 2000 years, Brian?
Yes, exactly! Christianity is not a null set, it has a clearly stated and founded viewpoint, morality, and foundation for social justice. If you are claiming the same on behalf of atheism, I think you’ve made almost all of the points JB advocates on his behalf. You can’t can condemn anything without saying you believe it’s wrong. If you are claiming to be rational in this belief, you must have a “why”
Yes, it most certainly does, Brian! Christianity is the political medium that was created out of the hijacked doctrine of the character Paul and used by the Romans to forge ahead with their expansion after overt military action began to fail and the Empire began to disintegrate.
As it was it still ended up dividing in two – Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
The tenets and doctrine were all laid out by the church and once this was completed the purges began.
And to date you have upwards of 30,000 denominations/cults but all effectively linked to the original fabricated faith based religion.
What the average Christian thinks they follow is so far removed from the biblical character Jesus of Nazareth as to be laughable.
In fact Christianity is so immoral its adherents would be knee deep in blood if we were to thoroughly examine its history.
“Absolutely correct. Atheism has no morality.” Arkenaten February 3, 2017
JB – Arkedummy absolutely agrees with your post.
Atheism is (by default) a morality-free option just as Sweet Cheeks pointed out after Arkedummy’s admmital.
He’s having a difficult time equating “no morality” with “morality-free.” 97% of big dummies have the same difficulty.
You (JB) should start charging for the sandwiches. What would a combo include?
Have a nice day.
~CQW
Crimson – JZ couldn’t wait to immolate himself yesterday. Ark rolled in this morning and demonstrated he hasn’t even read the post. And Tildeb’s blessed ‘content free’ doctrine is in tatters. Can we call this a trifecta victory? A trifectory? Victorecta?
Awkward.
Long live the tambourine.
But what does the combo include?
The prize should be a tambourine OR a cowbell.
~CQW
Considering the nature of the sandwich, maybe a roll of toilet paper?
Truly you are the dumbest fuck on this blog.
There is no option , you moron.
Atheism has no morality. Period.
@Arkedummy
Truly you are the biggest dummy on this blog.
There is no option, says the maroon who has opted to choose morality-free atheism. Atheism has no morality. Period.
Ya Big Dummy.
Have a nice day.
~CQW
Go back and read Amanda’s comment, you arse.
@Arkedummy
Go back and read your own posts. We agree with you that atheism has no morality. “No morality” is the same thing as “morality free.”
This song is for you.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qGdxX5qzeW8
Ya big dummy.
~CQW
Yes it is the same , but it is not a morality free option which is what Amanda stated.
You have made a complete arse of yourself you indoctrinated little dipshit.
Now, why not simply grow up or push off until you can develop even a basic level of comprehension?
You have the “Anything Goes” option (which is Atheism).
Or the Right-and-Wrong-Are-Objective option (which is Theism).
You believe in morality, so you’re a Theist. Congrats.
Shouldn’t you be polishing your gun or something?
I forgot the third option: PRETEND that morality is objective, even though you’re supposed to believe it isn’t. That’s what most Atheists do. They PRETEND there is such thing as right/wrong, while claiming they don’t believe it.
You forgot a lot of things , Amanda.
You really did …
And the fourth option: don’t think about any of this stuff at all, and just distract yourself until you die…
What stuff?
I see you’ve gone with Option Number Four: distract yourself with stupid questions.
Good choice, buddy.
Hey, shouldn’t you be taking a picture of something, to cause the chemical reaction that makes humans think life matters? (Or shooting heroin? Same, basic thing.)
Is it? I have never shot heroin.
Is that why you turned to Yahweh to solve your problems?
I always thought it was your penchant for firearms?
It seems you have been dysfunctional for a considerable length of time, Amanda.
You do realise, I hope that all this hate and vitriol you store up inside you might be transferred to your little one when you breast feed?
Does it not bother you that you might be raising a child that turns out with similar issues as her mum?
I’m very serious by the way.
Why not pursue more gentle pastimes?
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Silly man. I didn’t say *I* shot heroin. (I’ve never even smoked a cigarette.) I said: taking pictures and shooting heroin accomplishes the same thing…just a chemical reaction telling your brain it’s “happy.”
Was this what happened when you held the gun?
Did you call out to Yahweh for advice at this point?
Have you got rid of it by the way?
My petunias think I’m grotesque. Have you seen a squirrel crank a stank machine, in French?
Yahweh.
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That’s false.
“Not thinking about it” is NOT an option. Everyone thinks about this stuff.
And it leads to either madness or joy.
No other options.
Oh, no, Dad, I think you’re confused. Ark clearly said to Matthew yesterday that he has never entertained such questions.
So, obviously, that’s the truth.
Because only Christians lie.
LOL!
None of the atheists have told me what’s wrong with lying yet. Until I hear from them, I’m going to say fibbing is just part of the natural universe.
Don’t hold your breath. There are only a handful of honest Atheists in the world, and the rest deserve to be vilified.
Zing!
He got you there Mandy!
Ark, try this one next: “I know you are, but what am I?”
Then, call her a Poophead! That’ll REALLY get to her!
Rock–meet shoe.
@Arkedummy
And the big dummy that has chosen morality free atheism has proclaimed, “Yes it is the same, but it is not a morality free option which is what Amanda stated.”
You have made a complete big dummy of yourself ya indoctrinated little big dummy.
Now, why not simply grow up or push off until you can develop even a basic level of comprehension?
Have a good evening.
~CQW
In Ark’s defense, he warned us months ago that he “doesn’t do” philosophy.
#HeGotThatRight
My favorite line from this entire thread:
“You have made a complete big dummy of yourself ya indoctrinated little big dummy.”
I sincerely hope this is concise enough for you, Senor Dipshit.
Fuck off.
@Arkedummy
So you can photograph it? That’s creepy. But nothing wrong with it as far as atheism is concerned.
Ya Big Dummy
~CQW
As you beleive your theist alternative works, please explain it.
You want me to explain how law, legislation and government works? How much time have you got?
*Smile*
Rest easy & take your foot off the pedal.
The comment was for our Glorious Ungracious Host, Mr Comedy Sojourn.
I learned a long time ago that whenever someone in the comments asks, “You want me to explain?” the answer is “YES!”
Please explain how laws, legislation, and government have evolved.
And try not to make the process sound TOO MUCH like a mindful, goal-driven one.
Thanks. 🙂
Please explain what you think this post is about.
Amazing.
I am surprised you are allowed out without supervision.
Hilarious!!!
At least one of us is funny, Branyan
Hey Tildeb! Ark agrees with me that atheism has no morality! You gonna tell him to fuck off too?
No, because he doesn’t import a lie to atheism, associate the lie to atheists, and then try to smear people’s character the way you do. He’s not immoral like you.
It’s okay for Ark to say atheism has no morality but it’s a lie when I say it.
Perfect reasoning, Dear Leader!
Please keep commenting.
You’re not keeping it to atheism, JB. You – YOU – keep importing unrelated ideas to atheists. Notice the spelling difference: athe-ISM, athe -ISTS You keep importing unrelated notions like the absence of morality to the ISM and then export that and impose the same lack on atheists. But it is you – YOU – who are doing the importing and not the people who don’t believe in gods or a god do what you continue to claim they are doing: deriving traits and characteristics from the ISM. That’s why every time you – YOU – make the imposition and then vilify people in its name is so repugnant. This tactic of yours is deceitful and reprehensible because you are intentionally maligning the character of real people in real life for reasons you import and apply rather than anything they have done.
You’re right! I admit it. I’m assuming that atheists are advocates of athe-ISM. I shouldn’t do that in all fairness.
So I’ll let you explain yourself. How do you, as an atheist, distance yourself for the amoral worldview of atheISM?
Also…how is it possible to vilify a void?
Atheism has no worldview, you nit. It’s an empty set because it only – ONLY – describes a lack of belief in gods or a god. For fuck’s sake, why can’t you grasp this fact? Oh right… ’cause then you can’t vilify me without showing the world just how much of a bigoted shit you really are hidden behind the pious facade.
I never vilified you or atheism.
You’re the only one calling names.
But that’s okay because atheists are amoral people.
YOU, JB! YOU! YOU! YOU!
…well, you and HONEST Atheists.
(Link) https://defenseofaith.wordpress.com/2015/11/17/relative-morality/
I can’t make Dear Leader happy.
When I accept his definition of atheism, he accuses me of vilifying him.
When I explain how his definition is untenable, he accuses me of vilifying him.
He’s a sensitive little chap.
Yes, sensitive to liars and deceivers and people who intentionally misrepresent me to vilify the character of others in the name of piety. It’s like standing up to a bully. That’s what you do JB: you bully. You lie and bear false witness and then misuse and abuse the language to serve your malignant purpose. Imagine that: someone literate enough to hold you to account and peel away your lies to reveal what it is you’re really doing: making shit up and flinging it at others. Again, fuck you.
LOL!
That’s awfully salty language for a crying little girl…
Have you considered that maybe all the difficulty you’re having with Atheism is because God/Theism is the OBVIOUS truth?
Nah. You just want to cry…
http://www.graceforrett.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/crying-baby-girl.jpg
Right. I know you’re outraged. But you have yet to explain how to vilify a void. I’ve said nothing derogatory about you.
“someone literate enough to hold you to account and peel away your lies to reveal what it is you’re really doing: making shit up and flinging it at others.”
Yes! I appreciate your holding me accountable! Cite ONE example of where I have vilified or bullied you. Just one.
That’s okay.
I just called him a cry-baby.
That ought to cheer him up.
I’m afraid he’s going to have a stroke.
Maybe it will be an NDE.
This is you, Dig-Dug!
As you are the one who professes to be a comedian and having watched one of your videos I can state categorically that this is as close to the level of humour displayed in your act as one could get.
I’m fairly sure several other visitors here would agree with this view as well.
Maybe take a few tips from the late Robin Williams, as he also starred in the movie.
Morality comes from society. It’s better that way because it’s modern, up to date and suits modern people. The alternative is to try to follow a set of rules invented thousands of years ago and now irrelevant.
See quantum physics for particles that spontaneously form from nothing, it can only happen for very short periods of time.
Society does not come from atheism. Quantum physics do not come from atheism.
Rules that are thousands of years old are not necessarily wrong.
Rules or “morals” that are truly objective are, by definition, timeless, permanent, equal for all at all times, unchanging, static, chiseled in stone and backed up in the cloud in multiple arrays…. uh… etcetera.
Any “societal norms” that are relative to the times are, by definitition, subjective, or, subject to interpretation by everyone except atheists from the void. (Which don’t exist.)
The Catholic rules about homosexuality and also, contraception are both wrong.
Okay.
What about murder and theft?
hmmm… “when an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came’. And when he comes, he finds it swept and put in order. Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and live there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first.” Luke 11:24-26 so does that mean…satan loves a good void?
Hi Gene!
Hilarious!
You actually believe in demon possession!
*says the demon possessing Douglas*
Hi Ark!
Yes, I do.
Oh, my goodness!
Why?
Stories from the Bible, stories from people who’ve experienced it or have known people who’ve experienced it, my own experiences. There is a war raging for the hearts and souls of men. The enemy hates God and hates His image. We are created in His image. I’m thankful to be on the winning side, because of what Jesus did.
Yes, wonderful.
But you are aware, surely, that belief in demon possession is simply a problem of mental illness?
There is even something related to such religious ranting that is linked to a form of encephalitis that for years has been misdiagnosed.
I forget the exact medical term.
But if you truly beleive in demons then maybe you should seek professional help?
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Who typed that last comment, Ark?
Douglas or whatever is possessing him?
🙂 haha oh boy. You set me up! I should have seen it coming 😉 I’m just telling the truth, friend 🙂
Nope. No setting up, I assure you.
I’m just telling the truth, friend 🙂
So am I.
And you need professional help
Ask Amanda, she might be able to point you to a good psychiatrist.
nah, that’s ok. I’ll just keep praying. Mental illness or not, I’m still saved and heaven bound! Amanda and I both know Who created the mind, we’ll be fine. Thanks for looking out for me though!
Saved from what, exactly?
Looks like God just saved Gene from a never-ending “conversation” with an a-moral, God-denier.
Praise the Lord! 😉
Hallelujah!!
I really came here because I was feeling convicted about a bad incident I had this AM with my roommate. I feel REALLY bad about my behavior and feel like I am trying to pull ANY goodness out of my a**. So, I think I need to apologize because the devil is roamin around like a lion and I am just bad bad bad. Prideful and selfish and -no need for breakin any commandments- Pride and selfishness and meanness are enough badness to need to ask for forgiveness.
Thank you for always being a voice of reason in the world. God bless you all the days of your life.
GOD laid out our moral compass in the 10 commandments and they are EQUAL. I failed in HS- but workin hard at it now, man!
If you are not a college professor- then you very well should be!
If I have any ANY goodness in me -it is Christ alone- I am filthy rags. You tell them Branyan.
HA ha ha ha Moral atheist. Never thought about that. Like, where do morals come from? So if I steal (as an atheist) what is wrong with that? Heck, I didn’t kill anyone. I just stole some jelly and a computer and four 8-track tapes -from the Smithsonian- and the Baseball diamond and knocked off the bank and 40,000 (some starving) employees and the Stockmark..But that is no big deal. I mean other people have done worse.
Other people have NOT done worse. The null set contains no concepts of better or worse. The null set doesn’t define killing, stealing or 8-track tapes either.
Where do moral come from?
Great question!
Well, according to John Branyan, morals do not come from his religion, your religion, or any religion, but rather from within evolving human ideas (memes) which then get reflected in our culture and its laws.
This is actually entirely true.
http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y336/johnzande/John%20BBBB_zpsuahcyhkf.png
Bwahahahaha!
It’s not entirely true! JZ lies about stuff because he’s an atheist and they have no morals.
You want to post the link to the ‘entire’ conversation JZ or do I need to reveal your subterfuge?
Knock yourself out
Actually, this will knock YOURSELF out.
Here you go, Windbag.
Errrum, thanks, that simply confirms what you said: morals = evolved societal norms.
I agree.
You got your idea of moral behaviour from evolved societal norms… exactly as you said.
Errum, I also said religion plays an important role in the evolution of societal norms.
Windbag.
So you were lying (perhaps accidently) when you mentioned “objective” moral truths above?
What you meant to say was:
“I get my moral directive from evolved societal norms.”
Okay, got it. Thanks. I agree.
Good.
You agree that religion plays an important role in the evolution of societal norms.
You agree that God is how morality becomes objectively true.
I’m glad you’ve abandoned atheism in favor of theism.
Thanks for being honest!
No, for precisely the reasons you’ve already admitted. Religion plays no role at all.
If your religion played a role, John, then we’d still have slavery and still be murdering gays… wouldn’t we?
That is what your religion dictates, isn’t it, but you no-longer agree with that, do you, John.
So, it’s not objective, is it, John.
Listen, John, I’ll give you a break. You’ve gotten yourself so knotted up in your own contradictions that you no-longer know which way is up. I’m off to bed, so take this opportunity to unravel yourself. You look rather stupid twisting like this.
Off to bed means…retreating.
Good idea. You’ve taken a pretty serious beating tonight.
And thanks for bringing up slavery again!
Your atheist void cannot condemn slavery. Your worldview is amoral.
It’s truly entertaining to see you miss this obvious point over and over and over and over…
Don’t mind JZ. He wears his Theist hat so often, he sometimes forgets it’s up there…
Indeed.
The theist hat is apparently too small because there’s no blood flowing to his brain.
His brain works just fine. It’s the mind and soul he is willingly giving up…
He prefers the void.
Still think his hat is too tight.
You did (accidently, evidently) say, “Get a worldview that will allow you to define right and wrong in some objective way.” didn’t you?
There’s that word, Objective.
But you don’t believe that, do you, John.
Indeed I DID say that! It was no accident.
Atheism is a void so you’re unable to make any statements on morality from atheism.
This is the essence of the post.
Goodnight.