There are two things to say when someone says, “I’m thinking of killing myself.”
- No. Don’t.
- Go ahead.
You can’t rationally say both.
I suppose a third option would be a blank stare.
Which is the same response they’d get from a turtle, a pillow, or a carrot stick.
You should have a better response than the average vegetable.
But which response is best?
That depends on your religious convictions.
“I’m not a religious person, John!”
Yeah. I knew you were going to say that.
You’re not a carrot, a pillow, or a turtle.
So you have religious convictions.
The question, “Should I kill myself”, can’t be answered scientifically.
If it could, research would halt and scientists would take calls at the suicide hotline.
Nobody on a ledge getting ready to jump says, “Call my Biology professor!”
They might call for a psychiatrist.
But a shrink is just going to ask questions.
“Why do you want to kill yourself?”
“Have you thought about your family?”
Psychiatrists ask questions…
…to expose your religious convictions.
And we’re right back where we started.
You want to kill yourself?
- No. Don’t.
- Go ahead.
Your answer will come from your religion.
Whether you’re a ‘religious person’ or not.
Not all religion is the same.
Some religion can’t give a reason for not ending your life.
Some religion can’t explain why you’re alive in the first place.
The simple believe anything,
but the prudent give thought to their steps. – Proverbs 14:15
Carrots don’t have answers to important questions.
Be better than a carrot.
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also,…..just because you say “there is no God” a bunch doesn’t make Him less REAL. Gravity/angels are reality whether you believe it or not…. some things are just TRUE (there i go again using that word)
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Count those….
https://youtu.be/hms_GdvOKZY
You know which famous psychopath you sound like now?
Does Ark not live in 2017 with us?
I used the keyword search again….
He used D.W.’s name 295 times in that comment. 🙂
For a moment, just before I clicked my reader, I had a vision that you were gong to post a selfie.
My heart was in my mouth …
lol … Good ol’ Jack.
One of my favorite actors!
Thanks, Branyan. Haven’t seen the Shining in years!
I recommend: As Good as it Gets.
or: Something’s got to give.
Smashing films, both of them.
All work and no play makes Doug a dull boy.
Why am I not in the least surprise you would have a quote to hand from someone like Bundy!
After all, you think the sun shines out of David Wood’s backside and he smacked his father on the head with a hammer … repeatedly.
Nice company you keep.
To my knowledge, Ted Bundy didn’t become a Christian and have his heart completely changed… Do you know something about that?
I have no knowledge about Bundy other than what he was.
As I said, I really shouldn’t be surprised that you seem au fait with such people.
Silence of the Lambs isn’t your favorite movie by any chance is it?
You’re interested in them, too. You want to know whether there’s any hope that YOU could have your mind/heart changed, as David Wood did…
(That’s why the last six times David Wood’s name has been brought up in this blog space, it has been YOU saying it…) 😉
Edited to say: Actually, it was the last NINE times. I just did a keyword search and counted. Ark has said David Wood’s name NINE times, out of the blue, since I first showed him David’s testimony video. Interesting.
You brought him up, without prompting, here: https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2017/01/03/evolution-wont-send-you-to-hell/comment-page-1/#comment-10618
And here: https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/12/27/reasons-for-god/comment-page-1/#comment-10411
And here: https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/12/03/tis-the-season-of-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-9221
And here: https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/nothing-new-here/comment-page-1/#comment-8040
And here: https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/12/16/the-right-way-to-be-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-9819
And here: https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/10/08/you-aint-funny/comment-page-1/#comment-6928
If I’m “au fait,” then it seems that you want to have David Wood’s babies. 🙂
Ark, how can we trust you haven’t been indoctrinated from birth and are unable to be objective?
@Arkedummy
Why did you choose Hitler over the mouse?
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Is it because you are aptly named Senor Dipshit that you would assume this?
Are you projecting once more?
Why would YOU choose dear Adolf over a mouse?
@Arkedummy
Since you keep bringing up assumptions – you’re the one that assumed I supported Trump. And you know what they (and YOU) say about assuming. Way to go ya big dummy.
On the other hand – I KNOW that you would never leave Hitler (or a contemporary equivalent) to die if you could save him. No doubt about it ya big dummy.
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I found this fascinating as it suggests that some religions can explain why we are alive in the first place.
Would the host or his helper explain which religion(s) ( if they know , of course) and tell us, in their view, why we are alive?
Not until you answer what you would say to a person who wanted to commit suicide…
and we are back to the beginning…. thank you .. i was beginning to forget what started all this
He won’t answer. We’ve touched this EXACT SAME conversation several times, in different forms.
Link:
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/08/24/one-god-shy-of-a-picnic/comment-page-1/#comment-3400
And another link:
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/christians-please-quit-your-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5791
Hmm, can you flesh this out a bit?
I did mention previously that my neighbour’s kid had killed himself, and had known him since he was five – he filled a bath and opened his veins. He was thirty, so I am not totally ignorant of this matter.
Could you create a scenario for me?
Yes–I linked to that conversation when I replied to Steve a minute ago. I’ve asked you before what you would have said before he took his own life. (I assume you would have told him NOT TO.)
Why?
Well, first up, I imagine that those who consider committing suicide are generally at this point because of severe emotional trauma of some kind, which has resulted in them not being in control of their mental faculties.
Of course in this instance we are discussing a potential suicide of a mentally unbalanced individual.
And for this reason, a logical or apparent rational argument would likely have little effect. So the first priority would be to prevent them from taking their own life by any means possible.
So you would tell him he’s crazy?
What would you TELL him?
Why would I tell someone on the verge of committing suicide they are crazy?
What a ridiculous thing to say.Please stop being an absolute ass and re-read the comment properly.
What WOULD you tell someone who confesses they have been thinking about suicide? The original post says you have two options: “Go ahead” or “don’t do it.”
If you tell them, “Don’t do it.” Then WHY?
There are numerous reasons why not, but again the person who is considering killing themselves is not likely going to be open to such platitudes, no matter how genuine I was.
And remember, we are currently discussing an individual who is severely emotionally traumatized.
Furthermore, I am not a trained professional in this regard so my sole concern would be to find a way to prevent them from committing suicide and then worry about treating their condition.
If you are fishing for some other answer then have the decency to state it in plain English.
No–we’re not necessarily discussing someone who is severely emotionally traumatized (i.e. not in their right mind. i.e. crazy) People who asks questions aren’t crazy, and you know it.
It’s perfectly logical to ask “Why am I here?” and “What’s the point in staying?”
Why should that boy have stuck around? To watch bugs with you in the garden? To cheer for Liverpool?
This is a very, very straightforward question. Why should we (anyone) stay alive?
No, Amanda your disingeniousness won’t work on me.
You are looking to provide a rational answer to someone who is so out of it emotionally that reason will likely have no effect.
So , once again, and try to keep up this time, the most crucial thing is to stop the person from opening their veins, overdosing or blowing their brains out, and not to have some inane fucking philosophical discussion while they are about to throw themselves under a bus.
I have time for one more question.
Make it worthwhile …
People who ask questions aren’t “out of it” emotionally. That’s insulting.
If none of his neighbors had anything to offer him, no wonder he didn’t want to stay…
Beep!
Sorry … you lose. But thank you for playing.
No YOU lose.
You’re the one who lost a loved one, and you will continue to lose more, if they’re better question-askers than you are.
Lol!
I don’t know what was going through this kid’s mind while he was filling the bathtub. But experts claim that most suicidal people spend WEEKS planning their deaths… and they actually appear happier right before they go through with it. They’ve worked through it and come to a decision. It’s very methodical and reasoned. It’s not usually impulsive and out-of-control, like you’re pretending…
They ask these questions, and you have no answers. (Actually, Naturalism has answers, but they’re awful answers, and make people want to die.)
I did not use the term out of control.
You did.
And while I am not a professional, I would imagine that there must be a shit full of trouble behind such a decision and that they are not of sound mind.
So obviously there was something going down that was missed by those around, family friends etc.
You have been there so you must have some personal insight.
When you asked questions what sort of answer did you get that made you rethink?
Seriously one more exchange, Amanda, and I am off, so no puerile or pithy retort, please.
If you have a decent answer why you stopped then maybe it’s wise to share it?
You said “out of it” emotionally. I quoted you word-for-word.
I already know what I would say to people who confess they want to kill themselves, but the question was for YOU.
You are discovering what the point of the original post was: Atheism has nothing to offer someone who asks too many questions. The only thing you can offer is psych drugs, to make those bad questions go away.
You see this is the type of anti atheist crap that perfectly demonstrates why you are not well.
And this is why I stated your motivation is disingenuous.
Your only reason for such diatribe is to try to show how wonderful your religion is when meanwhile all you do is make yourself look sick and twisted.
T’ra,
I’m not disingenuous, and you know it.
These are the questions that really matter to all humans, and you can’t handle it. That’s just a fact.
It ought to bother you that, if another neighbor boy says he wants to kill himself, you can’t/won’t do anything except decide his brain is broken and drive him to a hospital.
That’s pathetic.
Frank is knocking, Ark!
Stop letting your pride get in the way. I can’t think for you. Just answer the door.
(link)
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/10/04/christians-are-learning-disabled/comment-page-1/#comment-6541
Reality is knocking, Amanda. Don’t let delusion get in the way.
I can’t think for you.
All anyone can do is point you to the evidence.
You always turn to insults, when the topic is uncomfortable. I really hope that’s not what you would have done if/when your neighbor’s boy asked you the exact, same logical question I have…
Remember, we’ve been here before?
What’s the difference between what happens to a mother when she looks at her newborn and what a drug-addict feels for his joint or needle?
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/christians-please-quit-your-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-5859
What insult? You insult me all the time suggesting I should listen to ”Frank”
Tell me, how do you react to a gay person who is also a fundamentalist Christian who kills themselves because of the victimization he/she may have received from fellow Christians or family?
Please explain fully, how in any way
your Christian beliefs prevent such a person from killing themselves?
And when you have done blowing a fuse over that, then you can conduct a similar mental experiment substituting a Christian for a Muslim Jew or Hindu gay.
Then when you have finished with these examples you can explain exactly how your born again experience solved your problem and tell us why you beleive you were in this situation in the first place.
People do not haul off and off themselves simply because they can’t find an answer to ”Why am I here?”
or ”What is the purpose of life?”
You’re joking, right?
Of COURSE they do. The number one question a suicidal person wants to know is “Why should I stay?”
You don’t have an answer.
And neither do you, and if this is the reason for hauling off and topping themselves then they are already mentally ill.
Now explain the examples I offered re: the gay in different religions and also tell us what YOUR problem was.
I’m hurt that you don’t know me after all this time…
I never let you hijack and relocate conversations.
You’re still insisting that people are mentally ill just for ASKING THE QUESTIONS that all humans want to know: “Why should I stay?” “Why should I go to the hospital, where they will just fill me up with chemicals until I think more like they do?” “What’s the difference between being happy and being high?”
If you will say, “I do not have a good answer for those questions, using just science,” then I will consider sharing what I would say–in fact, what I actually HAVE SAID–to a gay Christian…
Don’t be so bloody ridiculous! No, not for simply asking such questions, but then hauling off and topping themselves.
That you cannot seem to grasp this very salient point suggests that Tildeb may well be right in his summation of your present condition.
As no body has such an answer are we all expected to now O.D. or blow our brains out?
Stop being an absolute idiot, and either grow up or seek help.
There’s no reason for someone to stick around, if the entire universe happened for no reason.
You didn’t say what I told you to say…
“I do not have a good answer for those questions, using just science.”
If you want to know what I’ve said to depressed/suicidal people in the past, you have to admit you have NOTHING to say to them, other than “seek help.” (Wow, super helpful, Ark.)
This is good enough for you.
”Science has not yet solved the question concerning origins. And if it never does, it really won’t make any difference. However, if you consider this is crucial for your continued existence on this little planet then you require psychiatric help.”
So if you are suicidal and super depressed why are you arguing the toss with me?
And more to the point, why is Daddy Dear allowing you to persist in this ludicrous quest for the ultimate answer?
Go and seek help rather than blow a fuse with an atheist.
Or go talk to a frakking priest ..,
Or pray…
Or eat your bible.
No, that’s not good enough for me. You wouldn’t say it to a suicidal person, so you’re not getting away with saying it to me. It’s your opinion that people who get healthy when they start seeking God need psychiatric help. But I don’t want your opinion.
I want you to admit that, if someone asks “Why should I keep living?” that’s NOT a scientific question. And, if someone says, “Why should I let them drug me?” or “What’s the difference between happy and high?” you don’t have answers…
You must say, “I do not have a good answer for those questions, using just science.” Because that’s the truth.
Well if it’s not good enough for you then you need help.
If you are unable to provide an answer why an answer to this question, even if one exists, and failure to find one means you will end you life then you need help.
To pursue this dialogue I require to know why you do not consider life worth living without an answer to what some consider the ultimate question.
Tell me why it is so important for you.
Still not the magic words, Ark…
It’s okay, I can wait all day. It’s seven hours earlier over here, so I won’t even have to stay up late.
Hey, you’ve been waiting all your life and haven’t heard the answer you want … from anyone. And even though you are an unworthy reborn you STILL haven’t heard the answer you want, not even from the scruffy little dead Jewish 1st century make-beleive half wit you pray to, so be my guest, wait as long as you like.
I’m sure your kid will let you know when she’s had enough of your stupid bloody antics and wants feeding.
See how much she give’s a monkey’s uncle about the ultimate question, then. All she’ll wants is some warm milk and her nappy changed.
I am working, so if you going to sit there hoping for Divine Intervention … then I am sorry, Hell will freeze over first.
I skimmed your comment, and didn’t see what you’re supposed to say anywhere…
Reminder: “I do not have a good answer for those questions, using science.” That’s what you’re supposed to admit, you stubborn rascal.
Rather ask the scruffy little dead Jewish tit and see if he answers?After all , you must have been praying for a long time , yes?
How’s that going buy the way?
Jesus forgiven you yet?
We’ll just come back to this topic again in the future. You might as well stop stalling and say the magic words, so you can hear what you REALLY want to know: “What should I have said to my neighbor boy?”
You might as well admit you may be in serious trouble and go seek help … or feed you kids, or something worthwhile.
Or eat your bible.
That might actually be the better option after you changed your kids nappy.
I am more interested in why you think your life is with spit without your believing you god made it all?
And for that matter how it becomes do much better even if there were demonstrable?
Stubborn, stubborn.
Your line: “I do not have any good answers for those questions, using science.”
Delusional, delusional.
Your line: ”Jesus frakking Christ! I should concern myself with reality, focus and pay attention. Then my baby wouldn’t crap all over me when I took the nappy off.”
Stubborn, stubborn.
Your line: “I do not have any good answers for those questions, using science.”
Delusional.
Your line.
”Yeuch. I hate hate runny baby poo! Daddeeeeey, help.”
Stubborn, stubborn.
Your line: “I do not have any good answers for those questions, using science.”
Okay. I’ll just remind you of the topic, the next time you show up… You can’t run away, just because it’s difficult to admit that your bankrupt opinions couldn’t have saved your neighbor’s son.
We’ll discuss this again, the next time you try commenting here. (So, I recommend you either admit what I’ve told you to admit, or don’t come back.)
My neighbours son lived three hours’ drive away. So it might have been difficult either way. And if his folks didn’t know it might seem a bit odd if I did, don’t you think?
(no you actually don’t)
However, I tried praying to Jesus as I received a physic message through the ether. However, Jesus didn’t reply. I read a short while afterwards that he must have been helping some people find a parking space.
http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2007/01/praying-for-parking-is-evil.aspx
He obviously had his hands full.
I thought this a bit mean considering he should have known the bloke was going to commit suicide.
So when I read about these good christian folks who got parking while my neighbours kid bled out in a bath tub I thought to myself, ”Well, fuck you, Jesus you insufferable omnipotent dumbarse fuck.”
Jesus is such a meany, don’t you think? You can have him.
lol
“Stubborn, stubborn.
Your line: “I do not have any good answers for those questions, using science.”
Go on then … I’ll play.
My movie starts shortly so hurry up with your kid’s nappy.
“I do not have any good answers for those questions, using science.”
Thank you. I know you don’t have any good answers, using science alone…
Unfortunately, you waited so long that we left for our (belated) Christmas party, and my letters to a depressed friend are on my computer at home.
It’ll be several hours before I can share them.
No probs … need to get some praying in before my movie.
Have a nice party. Say hi to that dead Jewish rabbi, okay?
What I needed to hear, when I was struggling with a lot of “why” questions…
What’s the difference between happy and high?
“Physically—nothing. They involve the same hormones/chemicals. That’s why it’s important to figure out whether there is a Reality BEYOND the physical. (If not, then you might as well do whatever feels good, even if it means hard drugs.)”
Why should I let the hospital or my psychiatrist drug me?
“Sometimes we need to balance ourselves physically, so we can focus on the spiritual. But I don’t support long-term, mind-numbing drugs. If a person needs pills to keep their mind sedated (so they don’t have to face tough realities) then there’s a problem.”
Why should I keep living?
“If life didn’t start for a “reason,” then there’s no “reason” to continue it.
Either there is a cosmic goal/purpose for our existence, or there isn’t.
If there’s no purpose, then we already know the answer to every, single “why” question we could ever ask. The answer is: just because. No reason. In fact, it’s just a lucky (or unlucky?) accident that we have the ability to ask “why” at all, because it’s a meaningless question. There is no WHY, and the fact that we want to know ‘WHY’ is just an evolutionary glitch.
But, if the Universe was designed and cultivated, then you are part of a grand plan. And you can spend an entire lifetime trying to figure out the details of how AND WHY things go the way they do. If you have been designed, then the questions you’re asking aren’t bad. Questioning isn’t a sign of being crazy. Asking questions is exactly what you were MADE to do.
Figuring out the source of life and your ultimate purpose is a question worth sticking around to answer. It’s complicated and sometimes very, very, very painful. But, I believe, we were MADE to use our minds to investigate the mysteries of the universe. When we start doing what we’re MADE to do, then we begin to have hope and courage again.
I can’t describe exactly how it feels to be hungry—but I can tell you I feel much, much better after I’ve eaten. Similarly, I can show you how to find food for your soul.
Someone once said, either nothing is miraculous, or everything is. Likewise, either nothing happens for a reason, or EVERYTHING does.
Why not continue using your mind to search for the meaning of life? Maybe fighting through this Hell is what you were made to do…and maybe you’ll be stronger and wiser on the other side.”
Of, course, the first question is why were you struggling with such questions?
Importance is a relative term. It certainly is a necessity to having a thoroughly fulfilling life. So we are back to question 1: Why were you struggling?
Again, I am sure a great many people consider/have considered such questions, from Shamen to Cosmologists. But as no answer is currently available, if indeed there even is an answer, this is still no reason to haul off and top oneself.
Again, back to the original question …
Why would asking questions be considered crazy? I ask questions all the time.
This is how I discovered the Exodus was historical fiction, for example, and what an eleph is. Asking questions is how I learned that Noah’s Ark was palpable bullshit, but how there was a local flood and the bible merely ripped off the original story. How the TF is utter interpolated garbage … and why.
It is how I learned about the Human Genome Project, how to operate a computer, how to play guitar. How to speak a different language. All largely due to (initially) asking questions.
However, committing suicide because the answers are not currently available to these or any other question, is quite likely crazy. (or the medical equivalent)
And …. We are back to question 1.
Do you see what needs to be sorted out here?
Good, I’m glad we agree.
Except, there ARE many answers–just none that have been definitively proven. So, you’ve understood the point of my entire speech: stick around and seek the best answers to the questions everyone asks.
His question is still wrong, Mandy.
“Why were you struggling with asking why?” is pointless. It’s like standing in the flames asking, “Why is my house on fire?”
He’s still deflecting.
I will get there with him. 🙂 Be patient.
He’s not really asking “why are you asking why?” because–as he already admitted–a great many curious people have done the same thing.
It’s ATHEISTS who have provided all the answers you need to those ‘why’ questions: no reason.
But THEISTS can provide a suicidal person with mental stimulation. Searching for God keeps us curious. It keeps us engaged and hopeful that we’ll understand more and more and more, if we’re willing to put in the work and not take the easy way out. 🙂
I’m responding to another atheist, on another blog. His statement was this:
“The problem is: what theory have we to discuss? A theory which proposes a thing-in-itself that is also a person with a perspective? A timeless entity which “thinks” and otherwise acts or responds? The immaterial?
How does all that work?”
The problem is that atheism demands to understand everything about an infinite God. No tolerance for the process of ‘searching’. No patience with the idea of ‘relationship’ with God. They want a ‘Guide to God’ manual that simplifies Him so they can ‘understand’ Him in an instant.
True.
There are many Atheists who are content to spend their entire lives watching soccer and being hateful to Christians. The idea of using their minds for their intended purpose bothers them. They don’t like mystery. They want to have ALL the answers, right now. So–they like the idea that everything is exactly as it appears to be, under a microscope. They like having a microscopic version of Reality and a simple “no reason” answer for everything…
…until a neighbor’s kid commits suicide and they’re forced to deal with that pesky, pesky “why.”
Exactly! And so far believing one is a worthless sinner and all the bumph inherent in that crap just does not cut the mustard.
So we agree on another point.
Theism is not the answer either.
Didn’t agree to that at all, and you know it.
I’m starting to think you’re not actually asking?
My dad and I have gone back and forth somewhere else in the thread this morning. Maybe you should read that.
Theism leaves room to question. Atheism is so small that it already has the answers to the most important ones: there IS NO reason.
If you’re content to watch football and take pictures, that’s fine. But most people aren’t. Your neighbor’s kid wasn’t.
I asked throughout the this thread, the real /em>question is what caused you to reach the point you felt the need consider suicide simply because of a few unanswered questions.
What caused the breakdown of normal functionality in the first place?
This is the question that requires an answer and then the follow up questions will be a lot easier to handle.
So … what is at the back of it all, Amanda?
You’re asking WHY I asked WHY questions?
You see that’s ridiculous, right?
Everyone asks “why,” including you…just now…
And I didn’t want to kill myself because they’re unanswered. People want to kill themselves when they think the ONLY answer to those questions is: RANDOM ACCIDENT; NO OTHER REASON.
Unanswered questions keep people alive and curious and searching for hope. Atheism kills that hope by explaining that it’s all just particles and illusions. That’s why you have nothing to offer a suicidal person. In fact, your tiny, empty, meaningless worldview is WHY they want to die.
You really have no patience to read do you.
Everyone asks why questions:
”Mummy, why is the sky blue”.
to ” I wonder if there is any reason or purpose i am here?”
However, not everyone hauls off and tops themselves just because no immediate satisfactory answer is forthcoming..
I already explained this in the previous comment.
Now, the question remains …. why did you contemplate suicide just because you couldn’t find an answer you liked?
You’re still not getting it.
The answer to ALL of those questions, from an Atheist perspective, is ultimately: No reason. Just an accident.
Mystery solved. There is no mystery. It’s just particles.
Soooo, there is no REASON to keep living.
Suicide only comes from godlessness, right?
Deep Christian faith never leads people to kill themselves.
Suicide is selfishness. It’s focusing WITHIN, on your own feelings/emotions and whether it’s worth your own, personal time/effort, because you (personally) get happiness out of life…
Suicide is selfish.
It’s only God-centered religions which give a good reason to look OUTWARD and stop being so selfish. 🙂
So, just because you beleive there is no reaso you thik one shpuld commit suicide?
And can you tell me why the vast majority of humans throughout our history who have never heard of, or cared for, your god,the narrative construct , Jesus of Nazareth did not immediately commit suicide upon looking up at the stars an wondering,
” What if this is all there is?”
I asked you multiple times what reason we have for living, from a purely natural or scientific or Atheistic perspective, and you wouldn’t answer.
That’s because the Atheist answer is “we make up our own meaning,” and it’s a terrible answer.
This is basic deduction. Basic thinking skills. If we weren’t PUT HERE for a reason, then we can’t give objective reasons to keep staying. Mystery solved. There is no mystery.
I have told you before.
Who gets to decide there has to be a reason?
Do you beleive that you, of all people, have the right to make such a call?
It is only a terrible answer if you are not stable enough to recognise that
there is no answer and , it doesn’t even matter.
So, once again, what was the background issue that caused you to despair over such questions when the average individual will happily shrug their shoulders and get on with life – even the religiously inclined.
What was it that caused you to contemplate suicide?
“Why should I keep living” –suicidal person.
“There is no reason, and it doesn’t matter.” –Atheism
Really? Is this what you were told by an atheist?
Was it someone close to you?
Seems extremely callous to me.
Not something I would say.
It’s not callous. It’s the truth. If the Universe wasn’t made for a reason, then all “reasons” we give ourselves for living are just wishful thinking.
So what reason do you want?
I want the truth.
Were we put here for a reason, Ark?
And what do you think that reason is?
That’s not an answer to MY question.
Were we put here for a reason?
The answer is either “Yes” or “No.”
If it’s “no,” then you might as well kill yourself. There’s no reason to stay.
But if the answer is “Yes”–we were put here for a reason. Then we can spend our whole lives figuring out what that reason is.
This is the point of all your distress I thought.
You obviously beleive we were put here for a reason.
Okay, so let’s suppose we were. That the answer is most definitely ”Yes”
( based on the cosmological argument, one’s specific interpretation of the bible and the evidence all around us, etc.
So, what do you beleive this reason is?
No–you are wrong about the point of my distress.
I was distressed because I believed there was a chance I was NOT put here for a reason.
Fine, so now you have accepted that we were… what do you beleive is that reason?
To find objective truth. To get closer to God (truth) every day. To spend all of eternity figuring out what our specific roles/jobs are.
Well .. the best of luck with that.
And what happens when you die?
I’ve never died. So I can’t say…
Part of the adventure is finding out.
What’s your guess?
Stardust …
Interesting. Keep gathering evidence… Let me know what you discover!
You currently have evidence to the contrary?
Nope. No evidence to the contrary…
I’ll consider your theory. And I’ll also consider the theories of those who HAVE died and then come back. Maybe the experience after death isn’t exactly the same for everybody, just like life?
Are you referring to NDEs?
Have you read any stories from those of other faiths, perhaps
Or even NDEs from non-believers?
I’m not sure why they call them NEAR Death Experiences. If you flat line and have no measurable brain activity, then you’re not just nearly dead. You ARE dead, right? I’ve always wondered about that…
Anyway, yes, I’ve read stories from lots of perspectives. That’s why I theorize that perhaps the experience after death isn’t exactly the same for everybody. Kind of like dreams aren’t the same for everyone.
And what have you deduced/believe from NDEs from other faiths and non believers. Out of curiosity.
I just told you. I have a theory that after death is different for different people. I’m guessing it’s similar to dreaming: in that you’re able to go and do things that aren’t possible to do when you’re stuck in your body…
Ah, good. So you don’t adhere to the bright light / visiting heaven stuff. That IS a relief.
I’ve no idea. Maybe some people do. That would be one of the “differences” for different people, wouldn’t it?
Some people dream about falling. Some people dream about winning sports games. Some people have nightmares.
None of them are wrong.
So you would consider the idea/reality of the light leading to ”heaven” merely something the brain does – some sort of manifestation?
I don’t understand the question.
Some people claim they have seen light and visited Heaven after they die. I have no evidence to the contrary.
How do they know it was ”Heaven”?
And were these people Hindus, Muslims?
What sort of beliefs did they hold?
“Heaven” is just the name they’ve given to the place. I don’t know. You’ll have to ask someone who has died.
I assume it’s kind of like when you have a dream and you just “know” who you’re talking to, even though you can’t see anybody’s face clearly. Have you ever had that happen?
No. Can’t honestly say I have.
So are you aware if people across the board have had this experience?
Not all Christians , I presume?
I take it you have done some investigation, yes?
Yes: people across the board have had these experiences. That’s why I have a theory that consciousness continues, even when your body is dead.
What specific research have you done?
And what do you beleive happens to your consciousness after you are dead?
I haven’t done much research.
Your second question doesn’t make sense. What “happens” to consciousness? I don’t even know what that means. When your body dies, the awareness that is YOU keeps going. Kind of like when you’re asleep and your body doesn’t go anywhere. But your mind goes all over the place…
Isn’t it great that we can spend the rest of our lives asking these questions and preparing for whatever happens? There’s so much to learn. Totally different from a Pure Naturalist perspective, which says, “When your brain stops, you’re gone. Period. That’s it.”
You see, there we were having, what almost amounted to an intelligent part of our usual strained conversation and you go and fuck it up … as usual.
Well done!
Haven’t you got a nappy to change or something?
I’m not sure why you’re upset, Ark. I’m trying to bring the conversation full circle.
That’s what started this whole dialog, remember?
Then explain what happened that made you suddenly beleive that there was little or point to living?
I believed what the Pure Naturalists were saying: that all of life was an accident, and when our bodies are gone, we’re gone.
This is very simple.
You’ve said this before. I am asking what caused to to consider suicide.
And again, if you consider me asking you to be inappropriate in an open forum, just say so.
I don’t think it’s inappropriate. I just don’t know how else to say it. I’ve already explained it at least four times.
If there is no higher power–no God–no Cause–no Ultimate Reason–then you might as well quit playing the pointless game.
Atheism answers all the questions. No more searching. Life and love and happiness are all illusions. They don’t REALLY exist, because they’re not physical. There’s no goal or purpose to life, and humans NEED purpose.
Atheism answers the question “Why should I live” with the same answer it gives for everything: “no reason.”
But, as long as there’s a question of whether there’s a Higher Power, then there’s a mystery to solve…there’s a purpose for staying alive… to search the answers to that question.
And yet …. millions upon millions of people do not beleive this and they are relatively happy and don’t chuck themselves under a bus, blow their brains out, jump of a bridge , or lock oneself in a room and listen to Tammy Wynette records.
I am asking what is the backstory to YOU believing life is pointless without your god.
This is the question you have avoided like the plague.
No, Ark. I’m not avoiding the question. You’re refusing to accept the answer.
If people are happy, then they still have some hope. They believe that answers are available. Maybe they have faith that science will explain EVERYTHING some day. The vast majority believe in some version of God.
But life IS pointless, without God. Because, if it wasn’t, you (and other Atheists) would have something helpful to tell a suicidal person. You’ve already admitted that you don’t have anything to offer.
THAT’S where my conclusion came from, and where it still comes from.
Atheism can’t offer an ultimate reason to live, because Atheists don’t believe in “Ultimate” anything.
No, not at all.
Most of the people I know are atheist or at the very least, agnostic and not one, I would say, has any (known) suicidal tendencies at all.
Most, like me , are reasonably happy, reasonably successful and simply take life as we find it.
None I am aware have drug or alcohol problems, or sexual abuse issues and although like most people we all have out ups and downs that is about as far as we go.
What you ARE avoiding is explaining what happened to you that brought to the brink of considering suicide.
Now, if you had said:
” I was diagnosed manic depressive,” or I had a drug/ alcohol problem” or chronic post partum depression, or a family history of some of the above or severe relationship issues, or in fact any number of physical or emotional issues then I could understand , as I am pretty sure it would be fair to say a great many people have had similar issues, and a great many considered suicide and a great many have pulled right.
And a great many without the need for a god of any sort to pull them through.
Perfectly normal, reasonably healthy ,stable individuals do not generally wake up and decide there is no point to the universe etc and then off themselves ( or consider this as a perfectly reasonable and normal option)
So it is obvious you feel uncomfortable about telling me and I accept this. But as I said before, it rather makes your argument somewhat shallow if you are afraid to state why or reveal the true reason behind your previous suicidal tendency.
You’re back to asking “Why” do I ask “why” again.
We’ve been here already, too.
Everybody asks “why” at some point.
Maybe all of your Atheist/agnostic friends just need to turn off the TV and think for awhile? If they think long enough–and if they REALLY believe the answer to “Why am I here?” is just “a random accident”–then it’s going to start bothering them…
Now, granted, some people go through something painful ON TOP of the regular “why” questions, which make them more urgent. If you’re suffering with cancer, or an addiction to drugs/alcohol, then it can make the situation WORSE. But, I had none of those issues.
I guess I’m just more curious than most of your friends?
Ah .. so you were perfectly stable, had absolutely no depression issues or anything along these lines, and you just felt suicide was the logical option and then you thought wait a moment … there ‘s god?
Am I reading you correctly?
You already know I gave birth. So, if you want to put my experience in a box and call it “depression” so that you can wrap your mind around it better, you’re welcome to do that.
I refer to it as Postpartum Depression most of the time.
But what you’re really doing is assuming that most people should be totally content with the cycle of work, eat, sleep, and find-something-to-amuse-themselves… Right?
You’re assuming that, unless something happens to interrupt the cycle, all of us should be okay just going for the ride. Correct?
I said exactly this in a previous comment which suggests you didn’t read it properly.
No, I am suggesting that your considering suicide because of PPD is probably quite common.
I am also saying that a great many women pull out of it without bothering with a god and continue on and live long healthy fulfilling lives.
And from the sound of it you still seem not to be well.
Are you on medication or seeing a specialist?
I’ve told you before, I’m not on any medication, and I don’t see a specialist…
I’d like an example of someone who “pulled out” of an issue like mine, without God.
Do you have a case study?
I do not know the extent of your PPD so offhand I cannot compare. Although a quick Google search should be simple enough.
Are you suggesting the symptoms of your PPD were unique?
No–I’m suggesting that ALL emotional issues are also spiritual ones.
If people recover from depression, they’re going to use words like “hope” and “joy” and “meaning.” I don’t think those are the names of psych drugs. 😉 Those things, ultimately, come from God…
Your friend with the ectopic pregnancy was struggling with a “why” question that Atheism can’t answer…
So, either she shoved that question to the back of her mind (with the help of drugs to make her forget), or she determined that everything happens for a reason.
Which is it?
Fuck, you are such an arrogant, and thoroughly ignorant person.
And becoming quite obnoxious as well.
No, Debbie was not struggling with any damn ”why” question at all.
Other than maybe why the hell was my pregnancy ectopic?
She is one of the least religious and probably least spiritual person – besides me – that I have encountered.
And as I said, imagine if you HAD blown yourself away.
And imagine if your consciousness was still out there.
And you were able to see grandkids.
Oh, dear tell me just how meaningless you would believe your life to be then?
Not clever, Amanda. Really, not clever at all.
Go talk to someone who might be able to help you. I am dead serious.
You really should reconsider seeking professional help again, and with the attitude you continually express and the time you spend expressing it, I am surprised your Dad hasn’t suggested it as well?
T’ra.
So, in other words, you believe: unless something tragic happens (like the loss of a loved one or a medical diagnosis), then people ought to be okay with hanging on while Nature (mindlessly) drags all of us around. Got it. 🙂
You wanted me to tell you what caused my URGENCY, because I wanted to DIE instead of just pushing all of the big questions to the back of my mind, like many people…
Why did I consider STOPPING the ride, instead of just going through the motions and trying to enjoy the natural high that humans like to call “happiness?”
Is that right?
I really don’t care for any more of your screwed up amateur psycho analysis.
Your condition is not unique at all and is in fact a recognized… and this is important . TREATABLE… medical condition.
For you to suggest in any manner that it is otherwise is the height of selfishness and arrogance and an insult to those that suffer.
It is simply part of being human.
Some struggle with it others don’t.
People don’t necessarily kill themselves because of the common cold, do they?
Why not?
But like many things that aren’t always pleasant, we deal with them the best we can.
And while I sympathize with those that suffer with depression I certainly don’t beleive that one can in any way blame your idiotic perception of the (lack of) meaning of life for the reason people should therefore commit suicide.
THAT is definitely the sign of untreated mental illness.
And this is what you should be concerned about.
But I seem to recall we had this similar conversation a while back and you are STILL beating the same pathetic drum so you certainly don’t sound as if you are now fulfilled ( with the holy spirit) or Jesus belief or any other cockamamie nonsense.
If this is how you are like around your hubby and your kids …phew…
If your kids decide that atheism is the way to go, what you gonna do?
I wasn’t trying to psychoanalyze. I’ll leave that to you, apparently. 😉
That’s okay, Ark.
Whenever you want me to ask more questions you can’t answer, let me know.
Oh .. I can’t wait to read about how your kids told you and god belief to get stuffed!
Perhaps when they have kids they won’t feel too comfortable leaving them with their gran?
But I doubt you are able to think that far ahead are you?
You are still so self-centered, you can’t see beyond you evolved nose.
Angry, angry.
You always get angry when I stump you.
I just want my kids to be able to face life’s toughest questions, without turning into balls of rage. (And, I guarantee you, Debbie was asking “Why.”) It’s a good thing she stopped, because you wouldn’t be able to help her.
You are truly mentally unstable.
And I mean that without an ounce of sarcasm.
Here you are discussing your suicide issues with a rank atheist and you have kids who you could be playing with, reading to , watching cartoons with or simply sitting with.
And yet, you would rather be involved with David Wood videos about bludgeoning his father half to death and have discussions about how what he did was perfectly okay if one doesn’t believe in Yahweh.
You need professional help.
Me angry?
*Smile*
No dear, I really don’t have time for that.
Such anger is generally for fools.
Much like those who consider life meaningless.
What is sad, is that there are millions of people who would metaphorically kill for what you have yet you, you selfish, arrogant, ignorant woman beleive life is meaningless without your god.
How dare you!
It’s late … time for me to turn in.
Goodnight, Ark! I recommend A BIG sleeping pill. You’re really worked up…
Smile.
Goodnight Amanda.
Worked up? me?
Lol…
You are such a sick little puppy.
Shouldn’t you be changing a nappy?
Remember … Jesus is watching you.
So, you’ll be sleeping in about 30 minutes, when it kicks in?
(Dad: the bright side is another definition for the glossary… “Ripped Off” means the Bible “Reported” the local flood. If the Bible isn’t literally, historically accurate about every detail of a story, then it’s “lying.” But, if it’s historically accurate about a story, then the story was “ripped off.”)
Oh, it is a smorgasbord of fantasy and make-believe, interwoven with a few historical items. The correct term is, Historical Fiction.
Look it up.
And because it is only the delusional that follow it … dare I say, religiously, is why there are over 30,000 christian denominations, and why none of you can make your mind up.
Only the delusional think every word is literal and follow it like a GPS. I can agree with that.
Good! Another point we agree on.
So how delusional does one have to be to accept that a 1st century Rabbi of dubious heritage rose from the dead and s the creator of the universe?
Focus, Ark.
Retreat back to the comfort of your “Jesus Script” in another thread. This one is about suicide.
Focus, Amanda, and stop being a hypocrite.
Your argument is specifically directed toward a theistic outcome so please don’t try to suggest otherwise.
Unless, of course, you are pushing solely for a deist answer?
Go back to the other thread we’re discussing on, and stick to the topic of suicide. I’ve told you before, I’m not interested in making you a Christian. I am NOT the one who brings up Jesus constantly. That’s you.
Deism comes first. So–yes–stick with that.
Right. Suicide.
What is the background to you contemplating suicide?
Atheism answers the question “Why am I here” with: NO REASON.
If we’re not here for a reason, then we might as well leave.
So, if we are here for a reason, please tell me what you think it is?
This is the purpose of man:
To love mercy.
To act justly.
To walk humbly with your God.
1. How do know the veracity of this claim?
2. Which god are you talking about?
Don’t answer these questions for Ark, please.
He was MADE to use his own mind and wrestle with God about this stuff… If we do the work for him, he misses that chance.
I just didn’t want the initial question to go unanswered.
I’ve no intention of responding to the distractions that are forthcoming.
I know. All of my comments have been for Ark’s benefit, including ones I direct at you…
He can come back and re-read all of this later, if he’s so inclined.
You mean, you’re just USING me as a prop to advance your own agenda??!!!!
Exactly. 🙂
Quick question: Want to bet on how long it takes KIA to throw out some ad hominem before telling me to Have A Nice Day?
I’d lose. He has already stuck around longer today than I expected…
I’m posting a video tomorrow. It’s a tiny portion of Sean Carroll’s debate with WLC.
Carroll asserts that life is ‘insignificant’. Just comes right out and says it.
Why doesn’t Ark go argue with Sean Carroll?
Richard Dawkins said that morality was “arbitrary.” I asked Ark to try and figure out why an Atheist would say that…
And I suggested that he read the book by (Atheist) Alex Rosenburg about how all of life is an “illusion,” too.
But he didn’t. :/
Which god should I wrestle with Amanda?
You’re asking me? Do you think I’M God?
I’m not God.
You’re still trying to get ME to do the thinking and wrestling for you.
Already did, Champ.
Spelled it out plainly, with several all-caps words referring to why we were MADE.
That is no reason to commit suicide.
Millions of people don’t commit suicide because an answer is not forthcoming. So what is the background for you thinking along these lines?
If you are prepared to face that question head on then the others will soon seem quite trivial.
If you do not want to discuss this in an open forum, of course, then I perfectly understand, but it then becomes a futile exercise for you to try to make any sort of argument?
An answer IS forthcoming. The answer is “there is no answer.”
Fair warning: I am nearing the end of this conversation. If you continue pretending like you don’t understand what I’m saying, I’ll just find something to copy and paste over and over…
Typo. 2nd answer
Isn’t a necessity to having a fulfilling life.
the background is helpful… and a little painful…
Yeah, it has been more than a year of trying to offer a little light to Ark, while he rains vulgarities down. 🙂 (Another bit of background info: Ark is an insomniac who lives in South Africa…where it is currently 1:40am.)
He claims he is here to keep himself busy. In truth, he’s here because it’s hard to sleep when you’re wrestling with the questions every human asks, and you have NOTHING to offer.
mrsmcmommy i really appreciate the courage it takes to call out the “selfish” root that leads to hopelessness. When we bow to the god of ourself eventually we realize that we make terrible gods and this leads to the despair that makes us give up…. life with a purpose higher than ourselves seems to always make since if we have the courage to actually admit it… IF
Ark knows I struggled with an intense bout of depression after my second baby was born… I know from experience what Hell it is to be totally absorbed with yourself.
By his grace, I’m free.
The idea that animals and humans are of equal value is a crock. If you value something, you treat it as if it is valuable. So if you would rescue your daughter from a burning building before your dog, you aren’t treating them both valuably. You are valuing one of the other. Therefore, they are not equal. I’m pretty sure you’ve slapped a mosquito and killed and ant without thought of their lives. You were too busy valuing your own higher than theirs.
And I’d like to know Ark, how you would criticize a Christian saved later in life without being able to use the phrase “indoctrinated from birth”.
You doubt the size of Ark’s Insult Collection? How dare you!
Touche, I should’ve known better.
In my experience from interacting with quite a number, converts and deconverts, adult conversion usually comes about because of severe emotional issues often from such things as drug and alcohol abuse, other forms of addiction, relationship breakdowns etc.
From what I have been told by former Christians and managed to glean from converts via online testimonials and dialogue , most – but not all – grew up in a Christian environment, either at home or were at least partially influenced by peers work or simply environment.
Many have stated they were never proper atheists, they merely ”turned their back on God”, and through some scenario similar to above returned to the fold, admitted they were worthless sinners and became reborn Christians.
Outside influence definitely played a pivotal role which is probably why most of these people did not suddenly get religion and become Muslim or Jewish, though I am sure a minority did, as can be be seen where Muslim communities have become more of an integral part of Western society.
Re: Your animal and humans statement.
Like Branyan, you simply do not understand the terms and are thus, trying to make a wholly emotional argument based on ignorance.
We are all animals.
Sorry, but this is a fact. And you have to understand this first.
could it be possible that you are not what you think yourself to be, maybe you have turned your back on something as well, maybe the indoctrinated tend to look for it everywhere without recognizing it in the mirror (i think i just gave myself a headache…. need more protein)
I am afraid I have no idea what this comment means Steve.
Are you an adult convert or indoctrinated from birth?
Well, true enough; you might be an animal. You’ve given enough evidence for me to believe it.
Smile… Ah, Jasmine.
How very …. dare I say … Christian of you?
However, unlike you, these days, I don’t eat my fellow animals,or wear their skin.
So maybe in context you might want to look in the mirror and rethink how much of an animal you are in comparison.
Of course if you are vegan or at least vegetarian I shall take back at some of that comment.
Lol! YES! I’m sooooo glad you’ve converted to vegetarianism! This is going to be a lot of fun.
Are you going to start writing haikus, too?
Would you like one … ‘specially for you?
Of course!
Something sweet or very near the bone … for the meat-eater in you an all that ?
Ark is stalling now.
I have written three haikus.
He still owes me one.
He needs to Google.
Because he has not a clue
How to write haiku
I don’t understand
why I can write these better
than both Ark and Mike.
Creativity
Is not something that is found
In Ark or Mike’s brains.
…but their brain matter
really lights up now that they’re
vegetarian.
Done waiting on Ark
To write a single haiku.
So…Have A Nice Day!
I have a theory:
Humans need animal meat
to write haikus well.
Sweet or sour, what’s your poison?
I’m laughing out loud.
How are you not embarrassed?
Just write a haiku!
You poor atheist
Your brain just doesn’t work well.
Try eating some meat!
There’s a new post up.
You should go over there now
to keep on failing.
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2017/01/16/a-good-reason-for-bias/
Why did you offer
to write a haiku for me
when you don’t know how?
Sweet or sour? Choose.
One more on the list
of the things Ark “doesn’t do.”
Logic and Haiku.
(Hey, that one rhymed! #LevelUp)
Sweet or sour? What’s y’poison?
You are still stalling.
I’m not going to answer that.
Just write a haiku!
Sour or sweet? What’s your poison and I shall deliver.
I don’t care what kind.
That was not part of the deal.
Any haiku, Ark.
Sweet or sour. Choose…
Not difficult.
Okay, nevermind.
My comments are ALL haikus.
And you can’t do one.
Probably not …
If it had been me,
I would just write lots of them.
But you’re not as good.
Prob’ly not …
There’s a lesson here:
Don’t offer to do something
when you don’t know how.
Okay. If you say so.
Vegetarian
So important to be such
Nothing matters though
Life has no meaning
It’s wrong to eat animals
You can ignore me
Vegetarian.
Distract yourself from questions
That make you feel down.
Vegetarian.
Just too many syllables
For useful haiku
Don’t feel so depressed.
Go ahead and spend your life
Avoiding chicken.
Maybe this carrot
will make me better than you.
Nope. That did not work.
We’re of equal worth
to our animal siblings.
Ted Bundy agreed.
link: https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/10/29/nothing-new-here/comment-page-1/#comment-8049
Smile…Ah, Arkenwald.
How very…dare I say…typically inconsistent of you?
The upside is,you have (accidentally) stumbled upon what you can tell someone contemplating suicide! Congratulations!
“Stay alive and become a vegetarian like me! Animals REALLY MEAN something! (Including you!)”
He couldn’t risk us not answering the ‘Do you eat animals?’ question again.
Essentially, yes. But Vegetarianism is a fundamentalism that outstrips even the Southern Baptists in terms of smug, self-righteousness.
The LOL part of this conversation is the Arkenwald never thought to include animals rights as a reason not to kill yourself! Doggies need you to enrich their lives. You owe it to those abused chickens on the egg farms!
It’s because I already asked him the question: “What’s the difference between being happy and being high?”
Essentially, Ark feels the same thing for chickens and cows that a drug-addict feels when he lights up. In terms of feelings, they’re exactly the same. For some reason, Ark assigns more meaning to the vegetarian thing.
I do love the irony that an atheist honestly believes they know how to be a Christian. Do you think Christians are immune to goading or stupidity? Whenever you perused the Bible, did you somehow miss the sarcasm? You can dish it out, but can’t take it? If you think Christianity is just about being nice to you, you should probably go do some more study.
I thought Christians were the only ones who believed in a works based salvation. Can’t imagine everything I’d have to do to become a good atheist. No way I’m giving up sausage or roast lamb.
Of course you won’t give up meat.
God said you could eat meat so this makes it all okay.
It’s in the bible so it must be true.
Maybe you should spend a few days in an abattoir and see how your ”lunch” is treated.
Or visit a local pig farm and wander around where the pigs are kept.
Or maybe watch a video of the dogs being killed and eaten in China.
Seeing an abattoir video is a bit like Auschwitz for animals.
Animals feel . They have a nervous system and experience pain, pleasure.
Why do you think your dog wags its tail when it sees you?
And a pig, for example is on equal par with some breeds of dog as far as intelligence goes.
Dwell on that the next time you visit your local butcher and see all those legs of meat hanging from hooks.
Ark, dude, please. I don’t eat animals because God says I can. He says I can eat locusts if I want to and I wouldn’t touch them. I eat animals because they taste so jolly good. I live on a farm. We raise our own sheep purely to eat them. Unlike many white sheltered people in America, I’m a farm girl, and I know full well where my food comes from. However you cannot deny there is a difference between animals and humans. Do animals notice if we don’t have any food and wonder where we’ll get it from? Do they get together with their own kind and plan to build an empire? Do they look around and say, “hey, that is injustice. We should do something to change that.” They don’t. There’s a reason why humans run the world and animals don’t.
And for the record, the local butcher is one of my favourite places to visit. I love the smell of fresh meat hanging from a hook. One of my fondest childhood memories was making sausages. Ahh… fun times.
And you just love to revel in this pseudo hate speech, don’t you?
You think you are clever, Jasmine?
Really?
You think that as a human you have some special place on this planet?
Some sort of superiority because you can do up buttons?
If this is the case, then you have reached such a stage solely by evolution!
How arrogant!
Trust me, there have quite a number of global extinctions and there is no reason why there won’t be others and Mother Earth will shrug you off like an irritating flea.
Or maybe you’ll get nailed by a tornado or swallowed up in an earthquake or hit by lightening?
And your god … your ”blessed” man made piece of narrative fiction?
Well when you are metaphorically shitting yourself with fear maybe you can use the pages of the bible to wipe your bottom?
At least the Word of God (sic) will, for once be put to some halfways worthwhile use.
Or maybe a ”higher” life form will come visit one day, hang you up your ankles and bleed you out?
You never know right?
Out of curiosity, do you think it’s okay to eat dogs and cats?
I never said I was clever, I was just saying it how it is. I’m pretty sure mother earth doesn’t give a rip since she kills animals just as quick with her earthquakes and tornadoes as much as humans. You believe in karma but not a higher power? How contradictory do your words get before they collapse on themselves? Besides, if I’m living on a planet where people deny the sanctity of human life to the point they can throw an outraged hissy fit over the fate of an animal whilst they don’t bat an eyelid at human trafficking, I’m ready to leave this place. At least I believe I’m going somewhere instead of becoming plant food for the next generation of idiots.
And you don’t have to ask my permission to eat your dog or cat. So long as it goes along with whatever the majority seems to be morally beneficial, who am I to argue absolutes?
*Smile*
You consider my words as supporting Karma?
I presume you infer some sort of spiritual ”reckoning?”
Silly person …
To quote Don McClean; ”….because the bible tells you so.”
Oh, I wasn’t asking your permission about eating anything, dear, I was curious as to whether you considered the idea of eating your own pet in any way offensive, if it grossed you out?
Well forgive me, dear sir, but when you use mother earth hitting me with a tornado as punishment for eating animals, it seemed like a logical definition to call it karma. Obviously you must have some atheistic version of if you believe in. Or disbelieve in. I can’t keep all your logic straight in my head.
You’re adorable. I love how you think everything I believe comes from the Bible. And you didn’t ask me about eating my own pet. You asked me about eating nonspecific cats and dogs. There is a difference. However because I have thick skin and I have learnt to actually control my emotions, it doesn’t bother me that you now suggest eating my pets. I can calmly say I have no desire to. I’m just going to note though, if you were born in another culture where eating dogs was par for the course, then I would just have to call you an indoctrinated-from-birth ignorant pervert.
Have you ever eaten shark, Jasmine? I bet it’s delicious.
I have not, but I’m always open to try everything. I don’t want to be close-minded.
“You think that, as a human, you have some special place on this planet? Some sort of superiority because you can do up buttons?”
Yep.
And the fact that I can compare and contrast myself with animals that don’t even consider this stuff…
*Takes an arrogant bow*
Sorry that giving up meat doesn’t seem to fill that void in your life, Ark.
Keep searching!
And why would you think you are in any way ”special” over and above ”your god’s” creation, Amanda?
Because it says so in the bible?
Hilarious!
i just answered: the fact that we have the ability to ask “why” is evidence. No other part of creation can have this very conversation.
Even you–as a human–can BARELY have this conversation. That’s why I believe I’m more evolved than you (i.e. closer to God/Truth than you).
And yet you are considered mentally unstable?
One of the reasons there are a great many professions or tasks you might be excluded from practicing.
This suggests devolved, wouldn’t you say?
I’m considered mentally unstable by a gaggle of mentally unstable people. Somehow, I’ve managed to accept that. 🙂
Here’s another haiku:
Humans are special.
If that makes me arrogant,
Well, then, so be it.
I would imagine naming Bundy and David Wood as the seconds in your corner might not be such a good call, Amanda?
Certainly can’t see how it could possibly improve your street cred.
However, I’d be interested to hear you explain to your kids why you consider David Wood such a fine, upstanding citizen.
You are starting to scare me with how obsessed you are… :/
Haiku:
Ark has fixations.
Then he calls ME unstable.
Racing thoughts today?
I beleive a quick recap might be in order here:
You were the one who posted David Wood’s video and then nagged me for goodness knows how long to watch it, even accusing me of not watching it all, just so’s you could hammer(sic) your point of morality.
Now, in all honesty, what sort of person truly believes a character like David Wood, a man who almost bludgeoned his own father to death with a hammer …. simply because he felt like it , is the epitome of some sort of higher morality; a figure to look up to?
For some reason, you do.
Why is that , I wonder?
Another haiku:
Selfish men, rescued:
That is the gospel story.
Let go of your pride.
For you:
Blinded by my pride,
Ignorance is my soul mate,
David Wood; is nuts.
Turn your eyes upward–
To the Truth beyond yourself.
Just lay down your pride.
http://www.scienceofpeople.com/2015/03/master-manipulators/
I raise my eyes upward almost every time I read a comment from you or your Daddy.
Our thoughts in the day
Become our dreams when we sleep.
Choose them carefully.
I doubt you even looked at the article let alone read it …
I read it, and watched
the video long ago.
But not relevant.
Really? You are effectively a fan-girl of the likes of David Wood , a known sociopath/psychopath, you quote Ted Bundy and you see no relevance?
In that case I would post the same question to you, as I posed to your father a short while ago.
Based on your behaviour on the blogs, do you consider yourself to be either a) an anachronism of a typical Jesus follower
or
b) a typical shining example of the Indoctrinated Fundamentalist Christian.
Which one, a or b?
My effect on you
Is because I speak the truth.
You can try it, too.
Yes, I am sure you beleive you do speak the truth. As does David Wood.
So,
a) an anachronism of a typical Jesus follower
or
b) a typical shining example of the Indoctrinated Fundamentalist Christian.
Which one, Amanda, a or b?
False equivalence.
Don’t bother asking again.
I will not answer.
A mind made brand new,
It’s available for you.
Why cling to your pride?
Does Arkenwald know that David Wood was an atheist during his psychotic years?
Of course Ark knows that.
It’s why he can’t let it go.
He is haunted now.
… Are you only speaking in haiku now? KIA is gone. Can we let go of his memory soon?
When talking with Ark
I must stimulate my brain
In another way.
Ah .. so caught out in the realization that maybe you and Daddy dearest are not quite the examples of Jesus Follower the average Christian would be happy to associate with?
Yes … as I thought.( as do a considerable number of others, for the record)
You are rambling.
Try speaking with a haiku.
Use that mind of yours.
There are so many diferent denominataions of Christian – I heard someone mention the Lutheran church of somethig or other and they seem a bit extreme so I was wondering if you consider you would be recognized as a typical Christian Fundamentalist or regarded as somewhat of an anachronism when it comes to your fellow followers of Jesus
Yes! Lutherans are an extreme, radical bunch for sure!
You’re a lot like a Lutheran.
So are you a typical Fundamentalist Christian or do you imagine people see you as a typical followed of Jesus?
Just make me out to be whatever you want. You don’t care about my deluded opinions.
Well, certainly not for any reason you might think, no.
But you do paint a vivid picture Branyon, I will give you that!
Whatever I have going for me, it’s irresistible to you!
Ah…the humble Branyan persona comes shining through.
That must be it. You’re attracted by my humility.
Finally, real rest.
Real purpose. Heavenly quest.
If you kill your pride.
No need for drugs here.
My mind is totally clear.
My old self has died.
Not based on this blog it hasn’t!
So, a) or b) Amanda?
Oops, you asked again.
Your memory has gone bad.
Fine, just keep your pride.
Aah … so I would venture, based on your reluctance to answer truthfully, and also your behavior that you and Daddy are anachronisms of what most folk would consider a follower of Jesus to be like.
Of course, I stand under correction.
Handle any storm.
The Truth helps you ignore
haters filled with pride.
Troubled ones, now free.
That’s both David Wood and me.
A new sort of Pride.
Call me what you want.
It’s like water off a duck.
Are you done today?
It’s worth noting that your third line ”haters filled with pride”, personifies this blog and its hosts to the very core, including the latest offering where he uses the quote from a former fundamentalist.
Of course, you will flatly disagree with this statement, and quite possibly be sitting there with a smug self-satisfied grin on your face.
However,as an exercise, if nothing else to demonstrate that you are not sociopathic, read back over the content of your father’s last dozen posts.
Ask yourself in all honesty, as a supposed Christian, is there anything about them that is spiritually uplifting, that truly gladdens the heart in any way?
Anything that makes you come away from reading them feeling like you have ”done good”.
That you would feel a sense of pride to sit your kid on your knee and read grandad’s blog to them?
Or, are they pretty much all nasty, toady, fundamentalist diatribe that simply deride everyone and everything that does not fall within the gambit of your oh-so- narrow worldview?
And I am nor including a single comment at this stage.Not one.
Just the blogs and their general tenor.
Once you have done this , go back over the next dozen and see if you can recognize a pattern. Not the comments, for now.
Just the posts.
Consider how many fence-sitting Christians who might read will consider your father’s blog content and delivery style just the ticket to
bring them back into the fold.
I doubt you could name a single post.
If I were advertising myself as an ambassador of the Christian faith I might actually consider I had strayed from the path a little.
Of course, if you see nothing wrong in the posts …
You won’t use haiku.
This will be my last response.
Unless you “haiku.”
Find me a nice post,
Gentle; one to make me smile,
Or lie through your teeth.
Very good, Arkie!
I guess you want to play more.
What else do you have?
S0, no to the post?
Couldn’t find a single one?
What has Daddy done?
Spend all day with me;
Can’t get God out of your head.
Maybe drugs will help.
So, you couldn’t find a single post?
Oooh, that must hurt!
But then, maybe not.
Sociopaths don’t feel like normal people, do you?
Tildeb really hit the nail on the head with his diagnosis of you and daddy dearest, didn’t he just!
My current project has run its course, so I won’t be able to play quite as much for a while, I’m afraid.
Other avenues beckon.
I may be inclined to pop over now and then.
As loathsome as you and especially your Daddy are, it has been very enlightening.
Certainly lots of food for thought …
lol…
T’ra.
Is this hard for you?
It seems to take a long time
For you to burn me.
Again, no haiku.
You poor, angry Atheist.
Just give up your pride!
How much spit do you suppose is hitting his keyboard as he furiously bangs out these comments?
Ew.
So… a lot, huh?
Once called a “demon”
we now call “psychopathy.”
What is the difference?
Psychopathic Child:
Mom forces medication.
Modern exorcist.
You don’t see how humans are special over other animals?
Hilarious!
Oh, you are special over most animals; very special indeed. Of this there is no doubt.
Here’s something that might interest you …
https://tiffany267.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/sharks/
“And [sharks] are headed for extinction some time in the next century if we continue killing them at this rate.”
That’s called, Evolution. Sharks can’t adapt, they disappear! Good riddance to the weaker species. They had a good run though.
No, it’s actually because humans kill them …
But on a brighter note, evangelical fundamentalists are most definitely heading for extinction … or at least their rather silly religions, ergo them too, In that case.
Sadly, it won’t likely be before you or I kick the bucket, but I will at least be able to smile knowing that your eventual death – and may it be a long one so you will witness how much science will dismantle your ridiculous Christian worldview – will have rid the world of one more Fundamentalist Christian indoctrinated fool.
And that, at least, is something to smile about!
Humans are animals, remember? Just part of the same evolutionary paradigm. We kill the sharks because we can. They better get busy and evolve some kind of defense or they’re doomed!
And that is something to smile about!
One of the attributes one would normally associate with a higher level of spirituality or self-awareness, if you prefer, is a higher degree of empathy and also a greater understanding of the world around us.
Reading everything you write; your vile, self-obsessed narcissistic posturings that you try to pass off as humour and some form of Christianity, demonstrate that these are qualities which have clearly passed you by, Branyan.
Human beings are one of, if not the only animal on the planet that kills solely for pleasure or for vanity in some form or another.
Approximately 25 species per day go extinct without any intervention from us; that’s life.
That you cannot see the distinction between this and humans causing the extinction purely for reasons of pleasure/vanity, or culture is indicative that you are either an anachronism of the supposed empathetic qualities one would expect from a person who is a follower of the character Jesus of Nazareth or you are simply a shining example of the indoctrinated evangelical
Either way you are a disgrace.
There are many Christians who are vegan, as there are from other religions.
I would venture many of them would not be very charitable toward one such as you.
HAHAHAHA!!!!
I wrote a haiku for you just now, Ark.
I’m not a Christian.
But I’m still a Legalist.
Here is my sermon.
Yeah. But you’re an atheist. You got nothing. No spiritual aspect to anything. You’re telling me how I should behave?
Hilarious!
They can’t help it! Pastor Mike launched into a “You’re a bad Christian” tirade a few months ago…
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2016/09/18/why-we-cant-find-gods-bones/comment-page-1/#comment-5180
I am not telling you how to behave at all, Branyan. You hang that quality out for the world to see.
As I said, you are either a) an anachronism of a typical Jesus follower or b) a typical shining example of the Indoctrinated Fundamentalist Christian.
So, you tell me , Branyan,a or b?
Christianity.
It’s fiction, but just know that
You don’t do it right.
Did you see the Ted Bundy quote from awhile back, Jasmine?
When a person believes humans and animals are equal, you could really go either way: refuse to kill pigs–or just start killing humans!
Bundy nails it. Why discriminate between animals and humans? Kill them all, there’s no difference.
I’m going to bet that lions don’t get together and shame other lions for eating gazelles…
It’s just naaaaatural! The way of the wild! 😀
The real question would be if the hair product was tested on animals…….. or even carrots.
@Arkedummy
Which one would you choose between Hitler and a mouse?
~
@Senor Dipshit.
That would be a no-brainer.
You obviously have not used your brain in this regard, as you have felt the need to ask the question.
Ah – so you would indeed save Hitler. Interesting.
~
I am thinking maybe we should actually change your blog name to Captain Fuckwit?
Cheese?
@Arkedummy
Call me what you will ya big dummy.
Hitler it is. Good for you.
~
The problem with assuming is you simply make an ass of yourself… always.
But it must be very difficult for you to
even contemplate behaving differently when you have plowed the same furrow for so long.
And while you behave like a Captain Fuckwit on a regular basis, I do rather like the title, Senor Dipshit.
It conjures up an image of you, the indoctrinated, christian fundy, sitting in front of your bedroom mirror, bible in front of you open at 1 Peter 3:15, not understanding how the hell to do this, as you try desperately to style your hair in the same manner as Donald Trump, while repeating the Trump-like phrase, ”Grab her pussy”.
Cheese?
Tell him, Ark!
Admit it, CQW. You’re a Trump-Wannabe!
http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/79779.jpg
Thank you for the support Amanda, but I think Senor Dipshit is struggling with cheese and 1 Peter3:15 at the moment.
This is Kevin (CQW), just not quite desperate enough…
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03142/braun_ageing_3142253b.jpg
If this guy was working on that hair just a little more desperately, he would be Kevin:
http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk/globalmedia/nmem/1387_2.JPG
(Note: the 1 Peter 3:15 is sitting on the dresser, out of frame.)
Someone with photo-shop experience needs to help me!
Can we put a thought bubble above this guy’s head? It should say, “Just a few more weeks, and my hair will be long enough to style like my idol, Trump! I’m DESPERATE!” –Kevin, AKA Crimson Quarter Wit
http://www.aloha-friday.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Bible_Mirror.jpg
Here ya go, CQW.
http://i.imgur.com/vCB70mh.jpg
Hear Ye! Hear Ye! Arkedummy has chosen Hitler! Why have you chosen Hitler?
Also – most reasonable people know that the Trump taped was edited. He actually said “Grab her Doug.”
Bacon?
~
You see …. just like a Christian fundy.
You know, Snr. Dipshit, visiting this blog is like being a medical intern visiting the ward of the clinically insane, with the obvious difference that on a real ward there might be at least be some debate as to whether the inmates/patients were actually certifiable.
Thanks Sweet Cheeks!
~
CQW, Please tell me you caught Arkenwald’s question to Steve regarding rhinoceros horns.
Absolutely JB. @Hitler Saver Non-Denialist* remains ever interested in other dudes bodies – and Steve is his latest crush.
Speaking of crushes – I used crushed rhino horns as seasoning for omelets. And I only use eggs from caged chickens.
~
*the use of “Non” also serves to make the use of “Denialist” as non-derogatory
Should we tell Steve to brace himself for Dig-Dug’s inevitable demand for evidence?
If you’ve never tried a ‘Ham, Bacon and Crushed Dog Omelet’ you ought to give it a whirl.
John thank you for the info….
as long as the omelette was made with at least three eggs (from chicken preferably) and cooked with very little oil….. i am all in….. maybe sliced tomatoes on the side… or fruit…
dang…. now i am hungry…
thanks ya’ll
Is this based upon personal experience or some other source?
I know from personal experience I enjoy tasty animals. And carrots.
I am torn between wishing an animal felt the same way about eating you, to simply spitting you out after a cursory chew.
But do you have experience of psychiatrists, suicide and religious leanings?
thank you matthew, i am more convinced now that ever and……please pass the meat..
https://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8
#GreenLivesMatter
Matthew – That is gold. What a treasure trove of good information. And I can’t wait to eat sea centaurs. I bet they’ll taste like chicken.
Anyway – Arkedummy has most certainly studied this other video for pointers – but just in case …
~
“You think science is limited?! Let me tell you something…there is nothing more accurate than science! Why don’t you use your brain?!”
Lol.
Yes.
and carrots…
to give full disclosure i love eating tasty animals..
And do you insist on the efficacy of using ground rhinoceros horn to make your dick hard as well?
i would have to say on that topic ignorance is bliss and appropriate.
Interesting.
And as you find animals so tasty … as you do carrots, I note, how would you feel if (assuming you have a dig or cat) your new neighbour, whose own particular lifestyle embraced eating dogs and cats, barbecued your dog, mistakenly believing that it was a stray after it had wandered onto his property, and then invited you over to partake of the feast as a way of ”Getting to know you”. ?
Would you eat the dog?
Be honest, Steve. If someone grilled your pet dog, you’d turn around and grill your neighbor.
Fair is fair.
Ark believes all animals are equal. 🙂
Arkenwald DOES NOT believe all animals are equal. He said he did but he was mistaken. He is usually mistaken…even when expressing his own beliefs.
are you assuming that i have never eaten dog. I like my dogs, maybe i may like them if cooked appropriately… an i should add that my last post should have said
that “i have to say on that topic ignorance is bliss and inappropriate”… the other post if i meant that would have be interesting… maybe this one…..not so much.
…….excuse me i was just looking up dog recipes
Oh, I generally try to avoid assuming anything.
I prefer to reserve judgment until adequate evidence presents itself then see how it plays out.
That said, with the right cues, the ”Christians” on this particular blog tend to always perform exactly as they are expected to.
The real entertainment lies in … well, not least the lies, of course; with Christians this is a given, but also trying to find ways to see if the organ grinder and his troupe can come up with anything original.
So far … nix.
But don’t let that prevent you from trying.
Carry on, Steve…
dogs are friends not food….
dogs are friends not food….
dogs are food not food
food is food not food
food food food……lets eat
French fries and ketchup?
arkenaten thank you for the tender training session. I will keep my mind alert as i hope you will
Oh, I’m sure you will …. from your fundamentalist perspective, of course.
So, no French fries? Odd.
Was this a command from the Lord or your GP?
sorry, don’t eat french fries any longer…. i know that probably make me irrelevant to the vast majority of the population…
since i am new to this conversation thingy….what is your understanding of fundamentalist…. i think defining the terms are important when having conversation…
Serious, you are a Christian and you want ”terms”?
*Smile*
Okay, here’s one. Tell me why you find Branyan’s ”humour” funny?
just like some of your humor and comments i find myself laughing and interested
Yes, but what specifically about his humour. You are a Christian after all.
Arkenaten, what are you digging for… i don’t know the science behind laughing
Yet you are a christian and you visit a Christian comedian’s blog.
So …. ?
I found a helpful diagram of the standard conversation with Ark:
(link)
https://vecto.rs/600/vector-of-a-cartoon-businessman-trying-to-explain-a-complicated-graph-lines-all-over-the-place-by-ron-leishman-43004.jpg
mrsmcmommy, thank you … that clears it all up. i think i will save that for later.
i apologize for being so predictable but what is your definition of a Christian…. that may help too. Cause i am sure that you are very aware that there is a wide variety of definitions. And unlike you idea of animals…all definitions are not the same in value..
You seriously think I have a definition of a Christian?
In my experience, Christians tend to know their own minds in this regard.
What do YOU think is the proper definition of a Christian?
In other words, Steve, just go ahead and talk to yourself. Ark will facilitate.
if you have me “pegged” as a christian then you are the one who has the idea of what you think a Christian is… and since you are on this sight as well you must judge others based on your “definition”. remember sharing is caring… unless you are sharing the flu (unless it is in the form of a vaccine)
Sorry, Steve, this comment makes no sense ( to me).
Please rephrase
Site, not sight.
has anyone thought about what to say to an animal that is about to end its life?…
Ark will have some valuable insights on this subject.
will be waiting
If ever I am around and you are considering ending yours I’ll ask you.
Not knowing what to say is understandable. Ignorance is sometimes bliss.
From one animal to another.
Or, put a much better way:
when kids in school are taught that all animal life is equally as important then they will begin to understand and eventually appreciate the sanctity of all life.
Of course, nobody actually believes that all animal life is equally important and human children (exclusively) are smart enough to figure that out.
Thanks for representing your religion. It stands, as always, in sharp contrast to the reasonableness of theism.
Although sociopaths such as you understand the concept of empathy, your apparent inability to recognise the crucial inter-species relationship humans have with every other living creature may be because of cultural indoctrination and a major reason why you desperately need a religion to spell out your place in the universe for you.
Such an adherence to your death-cult faith based worldview, which has likely been grilled into you since childhood, and coupled with likely mental instability – an unfortunate hereditary trait that seems to be manifesting in your co-host, (again, based on her admittance regarding certain adverse behavior) – then your perspective on the value of human life in relation to other creatures is perfectly understandable, and is the most likely reason for your somewhat defective beliefs.
However, I strongly recommend a day ot two at an abattoir. This might help you see things differently.
If it doesn’t, then perhaps your condition is considerably worse than even the picture you paint here?
Finally, while your perspective is understandable – based on the above (sic) – by no means should it be the standard the rest of us should adhere to.
“Although sociopaths such as you understand the concept of empathy, your apparent inability to recognise the crucial inter-species relationship humans have with every other living creature may be because of cultural indoctrination and a major reason why you desperately need a religion to spell out your place in the universe for you.”
Lol!
Nobody believes all animal life is equally important. Not even you!
Really? Why do suppose I would adhere to your value system?
Do you eat animals by the way?
Really? Why do you suppose I will respond to your questions? Haven’t you yet learned that you don’t control the conversation? Don’t you realize that by not responding to my point, everyone realizes that I’m right? Can’t you understand that we all know you don’t believe all animal life is equally important?
You did not ask a question you made a statement.
So, as you consider your life has more worth than say a chimp or a cow or a dog, ( not a view shared by everyone I venture) on what basis do you formulate such an opinion?
On what basis do you formulate the opinion that all animal life is equally important?
Why would you consider it was not?
Do you eat other animals , Branyan?
As I said, multiple times…
Nobody
believes
all
animals
are
equally
important.
I don’t need to give you a ‘why’ answer to a statement that YOU already agree with.
I do not agree with it. Why would you assume such a thing?
And do you eat other animals, Branyan?
I assumed you were a rational human.
You can only pull your dog or your daughter from a burning building. Which one do you pick?
You’re starving to death on an island with a chicken and a baby. Which one do you eat first?
Termites are eating the foundation of your house. Do you call the exterminator or let them eat their fill because ‘they’re just as important as you’?
You do not believe all animal life is equally important. You’re a stubborn, worthless troll.
1.My child, obviously.
2.Chicken (presuming there was no other food source – fruit, vegetable etc.
3.Exterminator, although relocation would be a first option if possible.
However, this does not in anyway mean I do not value the life of other animals as much as I do my own or that of my children.
I would not decimate a forest with utter disregard for Orangutans solely to satisfy a desire for palm oil.
Neither would I slaughter billions of animals just because people like the taste of animal flesh.
You are an indoctrinated half wit and need to understand a more precise way of phrasing your posts/questions that are not built around your own indoctrinated presuppositions.
Point made.
You don’t believe that all animal life is equally important.
Glad I could help you gain a little insight into your own worldview.
Yes I do beleive all animal life is equally important, Branyan as it all evolved for a reason.
. And if you wish to continue to be a Troll about it then go ahead. All it does is demonstrate once again your ignorance, and your inability to formulate a coherent argument for your position ( I suspect yet another indication of your irrational, theistic indoctrination).
“Yes I do beleive all animal life is equally important, Branyan as it all evolved for a reason.”
WHAAAAAT???!!!!
I bet you won’t tell me the reason all life evolved!
Everything you see around is reliant on something else.
Have you never observed bees?
So, tell, do you eat other animals or not?
I’m afraid people won’t see Ark’s stupidity if we bury it under 200 more comments…
Can we start LOL-ing now? 🙂
His stupidity was revealed in the first couple of replies.
Tell him you don’t eat animals.
Also, tell him organic and inorganic matter is of equal value.
I was going to go the other direction and tell him I eat everything, including humans… 🙂
That’s even better!
“Everything we see around is reliant on something else.”
That is a profoundly religious statement and I am in complete agreement. Did you mean to cross over to the theist team or was that a mistake?
Why would you consider this is in any way religious, Branyan?
Life evolves. Circumstances change, life goes extinct. It happens every second of every day.
This in no way diminishes its worth or value at any given time of circumstance and nothing about this suggests any particular life form has more value than the next, and certainly for the likes of an arrogant twit like to declare you are worth more than a whale or a gorilla.
Ok. You’re lost.
We’ll try again another day.
Here’s something that you’ll be able to handle:
Again, let me know if you need crayons.
Ah … obviously the nurse has arrived and removed your restraints.
Is it play time for the Branyan’s ?
It’s lunchtime.
I’m sitting down to eat some other animals.
Aahh… well make sure the nurse has tied the bib on nice and tight so’s you don’t dribble all down your shirt.
As always, Ark, you throw the word “indoctrination” into your comment and make hundreds of Christian readers laugh. It is very clear, from your comments, that you don’t believe all animals are equal. Humans matter more. They are more valuable. You can love monkeys and whales and termites, too. But you love humans more.
Humans are more evolved. For a reason.
(So nice we agree.)
We need to screen shot that ‘evolved for a reason’ line! If Tildeb sees it, Dig-Dug is gonna get called on the carpet.
No he won’t. lol.
#Hypocrisy
And I’m still waiting for JZ to scold KIA over censoring my comment, too. 🙂
Did you see Dig-Dug suggest that he would consider termite relocation rather than extermination? LOLOLOLOLOL!
Oh, brother… (*rolls eyes*)
Now HERE’S an ethical dilemma. If data were to suggest that termites cause global warming…
WHAT SHOULD WE DO!?!?!?
Relocate the termites to another planet. That’s a no-brainer.
You can love monkeys and whales and termites, too. But you love humans more.
Value is relative of course, and if you think I might place more value on you, for example, than I would do say on an Orangutan you might be quite surprised.
It probably wouldn’t be the type of wager you should feel particularly confident taking on.
”I dare you!”
By the way, do you eat animals as well?
How about a termite? Which would you save: me or the termite?
Tough one….
Let me get back to you.
You didn’t answer if you eat other animals?
Do you?
Oh, that’s a tough one… let me get back to you…
LOL!
I’ll take that as a yes.
Amanda: Adolf Hitler ( modern day equivalent) or a mouse?
LOL!
@Arkedummy
Turn up the volume!
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Well, I don’t know about Arkenwald. But my 14-month-old loves it! (She’s clapping and dancing away.) Tee-hee.
Ah, but all life is not created in the image of God, just humans.
Or do you truly believe that the legal penalty for taking the life of a human (in the murder sense) should be equal for the malicious squishing of cockroaches, with intent and premeditated planning?
Dave
Genesis 1:27 – So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
I wondered when someone would quote this!
You do know of course that the entire Pentateuch is simply historical fiction?
Ark asked you about 10 more questions but didn’t answer your ONE.
Don’t let him get away with that.
Keep repeating this one, if necessary: “do you truly believe that the legal penalty for taking the life of a human (in the murder sense) should be equal for the malicious squishing of cockroaches, with intent and premeditated planning?”
It’s a good one. 🙂
The scripture, provided by Dave, is proven true by exhibit A:
“1.My child, obviously.
2.Chicken (presuming there was no other food source – fruit, vegetable etc.
3.Exterminator, although relocation would be a first option if possible.”-Ark (when given the option between saving a child or a dog, eating a chicken or a baby, and either calling an exterminator or letting termites have their fill of the house).
John,
Be careful now…
For everyone knows that carrots are the devil’s favorite food!
But as to the topic of the post, I once taught a lesson to a youth group on the topic of suicide.
I told the kids that as sad as your suicide will be, life will go on for others, and they will eventually get over your death. Everyone except for you, that is.
I just read a story yesterday about a twelve year old girl who took her life and recorded her hanging herself and posted it online. The story blew me away. I always wonder if people miss the signs a person is that bad off, or if they just aren’t looking at all. I know a guy in a group I am in who is clinically depressed and so negative about life. I try to encourage him and I am praying for him because I see the signs and fear that he will take his own life. When I see him the next week, I am relieved. I am not much of a people person (okay… I am an introvert and avoid people a lot of the time), but I still can see signs of a person who seems in danger of hurting himself.
Does an active unbeliever, who sees human life of not eternal value, care that a person kills himself? If so, I wonder why they care. I would guess that they assume that a person has the right to end his life as much as they support assisted suicide. They likely support the so-called “dying with dignity”.The atheist Dr. House put it well. I apologize for the swearing in the video (broadcast TV has deemed it “okay”, but I am not fond of it)… but his odd stance on the issue as an atheist is worth hearing, fictional character though he is.
Last thought – when kids are taught in school that human life is no more or less important than any animal, it is no surprise that they do not understand the sanctity of human life.
Dave
Genesis 1:27 (ESV)
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
”… and I am praying for him…”
What sort of response had your god given you?
He responds continually by giving me an increasing compassion for the guy. He is not a very lovable person. He sometimes actively pushes help away. But my Maker has changed my heart, and He can for you as well.
And the Almighty has also given me the response of seeing the guy be unable to deny that he has people who care for him, even though there is no gain for doing so.
Dave
Really? And exactly how does he do this?
Talking to you? ESP?
And, btw, just for the record
are we talking about the god Yahweh?
And why did you feel the need as an adult to convert?
Thanks for the comments. I enjoyed House for a couple of seasons but grew tired of the relentless cynicism. For me, Dr. House was the perfect representation of a smart person who was completely stupid about the things that really matter.
Religiously, I think we agree that the idea of killing yourself doesn’t come from God.
John,
I agree about House. I never did see the final season or so.
Agreed. Christian martyrdom is not suicide, but it is sad that the lost who follow a god who is no god at all will light themselves on fire, or strap a bomb to themselves to display their faith. How futile. The sanctity of life is so important that the Almighty declares that murder causes a person to forfeit his own life. That is why I have no issue for capital punishment for murder.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/05/01/why-christians-should-support-the-death-penalty/
Dave
Exodus 21:12-14 (ESV) – “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death. But if he did not lie in wait for him, but God let him fall into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place to which he may flee. But if a man willfully attacks another to kill him by cunning, you shall take him from my altar, that he may die.”
Quick clarification, Dave: the girl who made the suicide video was streaming live. So, that’s how it got posted online. 🙁
Very sad, indeed.
(Also: I LOVE House.)
Mrsmcmommy,
Correct you are, and thanks for the clarification. One certainly can’t post a video of one’s suicide after they have committed it.
House was a fun show to watch for many seasons. It just got to the point where I wanted to strangle him, if for no other reason than how he treated Cutty and Wilson, the only two people who really cared for him.
I suppose it is a fitting metaphor for how we treat God before He saves us, and how His love is undying and unconditional.
Dave
Romans 5:8 (ESV) – but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Okay, I’ve been thinking about this, and I think I figured it out.
If someone tells me he’s thinking of killing himself, I’ll… (*drum roll*)
…recommend he do a Google search.
“Feelings Debunked.”
“It’ll take two seconds.”
“Knock yourself out.”
https://branyancomedy.wordpress.com/2017/01/11/tolerate-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-10749
This is John.
He gives religious answers to suicidal people who ask important questions.
John is not a carrot.
John is smart.
Be like John.
Hi Jasmine –
You’ll need to provide scientific evidence that JB is not a carrot. Otherwise – I’m just going by faith that he’s not a carrot.
Different note – I used “The Ragged King” from your blog for my young adult / college age indoctrination Sunday School class last weekend – and of course gave you props.
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CQW, you obviously have access to the internet, so there’s no need for me to provide any scientific evidence of John’s anti-carrotness. If you had the brains to just make the effort to do a bit of research for yourself, you’d figure that out. I have no need to defend my position to you when I have Google to use as a scapegoat. Besides, anyone who believes in carrots are hypocritical idiots.
On your other note, why thankyou! I was actually quoting one of John Ortberg’s books in that post (I gave him credit post quotation) but I’m glad my sharing it gave you material for Sunday school class!
I really like the dichotomy of this reply. Start by calling CQW an idiot. End with a sincere expression of gratitude.
The comment section here is ALWAYS rife with fabulousness.
Unfortunately – I don’t have internet access.
Ortberg has some great video series that we’ve used in the past. Very enlightening (we can use that word too).
You still get props though – since I had not come across “The Ragged King” before.
Keep up the good work. You are making a difference in peoples lives.
And I’m glad that carrots don’t exist … except for those used in carrot cake.
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