I try to listen whenever the godless hordes start talking about ethics.
Because it’s always HILARIOUS!
Listening to non-religious people talk about morality is like watching earthworms try to rollerskate.
Below is an actual comment I took from an actual person in an atheist discussion group on actual Facebook.
My annotations are on the right in red.
UPDATED: Rather than comment on the subject of the post, one of the moderators of “Atheistically Speaking” is claiming to be the creator of the image that appears at the top. He hasn’t offered any evidence to support that claim. So until there is a formal, peer-reviewed, falsifiable theory published, I will not comply with his demands. I’m not saying I don’t believe he created the image. I’m saying I lack belief that the image was created by him.
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I must say that I am thoroughly amused at just how badly you have misinterpreted this article and at just how far offbase your side notes are. For starters, this article is a question about how to handle a problem that the human race faces (overpopulation) and whether you want to face it or not, one day we will have to. Basically, it’s a writing prompt for others to give their opinions on the problem and comment their solutions. (You know, the comments you left out since they didn’t vilify the atheists enough to suite your needs). Since you decided to leave out the responses I will let your readers know the results here: The majority of comments were not in favor of any form of genocide, euthanasia, or other forms of murder of the living. Instead they wanted more birth control and responsible reproduction education. This is in stark contrast to the results from religious groups that oppose birth control yet have no problem with exterminating non-believers. These results do not surprise me however since religious people have been killing eachother for centuries over who has the better imaginary friend. Perhaps next time you should tell the whole story, but we both know you won’t do that since it wouldn’t agree with your agenda.
So… it’s wrong to villify Atheists?
Fascinating!
Thanks for the comment, Jeffrey.
I can’t possibly be guilty of misrepresentation when I posted the question word for word. The comments on Facebook under the initial question are irrelevant.
You have misrepresented religious people however with your “religious groups oppose birth control but exterminate non-believers” line.
Whatever. I run an open comment section and you’re free to post whatever irate, irrational nonsense you like.
I said Misinterpret, not misrepresent. Your side notes are a clear misinterpretation of the words they comment on. Also, the church has been openly against birth control since it’s creation and the comments right here in your own group include comments supporting killing Nihilists. Again you ignore the obvious
I believe it’s wrong to kill other people, but that comes from my religion.
When are you going to get around to tearing my beliefs apart?
Do you get that from the same religion that has been exterminating non-believers in the name of god for centuries? If the bible were to be believed, your god is responsible for more genocide than all the wars in human history.
Me: “When are you going to get around to tearing my beliefs apart?”
Jeff-Jeff: “Just as soon as I figure out what you believe in the first place!”
Me: “Keep working on it…”
You: oh no, a valid argument. Divert Divert!!
Was that a yes or no?
You didn’t ask a question to give a yes or no to… come on now, I understand you can’t keep up with me but now you cant even keep up with yourself….
Whoops! I got the two threads confused… Let’s just stick to this one.
First you told me I wasn’t a good human if I murdered and raped people, and then you suggested that you determine what’s “compassionate” for yourself, and then you backtracked and said you DON’T determine it for yourself.
So I’m still confused. I’m glad you don’t feel the compulsion to kill or rape anyone. (Neither do I!) But, why does that make you a good person?
That’s not what I said, perhaps you need to read more closely next time. What I said was that if the only reason you don’t rape and murder is because your religion says that you will be rewarded for not doing it or punished if you do, then you are not a good person. I do not need such promises of reward or punishment to do what I think is right. If your only reason for being good is to get the reward and avoid the punishment, then without those would you just go wild? Also, if your morality comes from your religion, does that mean that you agree with slavery? Your religion does. Would you sell your children into slavery? The bible sets forth the guidelines for doing so. If my brother were to die without children should I impregnate his wife to create a child in his name? Your religion says I should. Any religion that advocates these things is not worthy to determine morality.
You’re way ahead of yourself, Jeff. You don’t even know what “my religion” is… (Hint: I’ve never brought up the Bible with an Atheist. Ever. They’re ALWAYS the first to bring it up because they don’t realize how stupid it is to paint different gods as monsters without explaining where their ideas about right and wrong came from in the first place.)
Burn the Bible, Jeff. What gives you the right to decide which people are “good” and which are bad?
I never said I had the right to decide who is good or bad, not on a public scale anyway. So you are going to keep your religion a mystery so that you can claim it supports whatever you want without having it scrutinized? Is that going to be how this is played. If you truly believe your religion to be above scrutinization you should be willing to proclaim it proudly. Why play all this cloak and dagger bullshit?
So, you’re going to come here and tell me “if X then you’re not a good person,” but you’re not going to defend that claim?
And you want people to take you seriously?
Really, I need to defend the claim that You aren’t a good person if the only thing keeping you from doing evil things to people is the threat of hell or reward of heaven while you claim an unknown religion gives you your morals yet you won’t even claim what religion it is or what morals you have so far and I’M the one not to be taken seriously. So far you haven’t made a valid argument about anything. Let’s cut to the core here. What religion do you base your morals on?
“I need to defend the claim that you aren’t a good person…?”
Yes.
Atheistically speaking, prove it.
There you go chopping up my words again and avoiding any questions posed to you. All the traits of a narcissist. Guess that is proof enough in this forum that you aren’t a good person (playing by your rules remember). Anyway, when you decide to actually have an intellectual discussion, answer questions posed to you, and not manipulate sentences, we can continue. Until then, you have presented nothing to prove atheists are immoral. At least we don’t go around trying to kill people who don’t think the same as we do.
Okay. Have a good day, Buddy!
Happy Groundhog Day!
Ugh…
Trying to teach people how to think.
All day, every day.
(I actually love it. I really do.)
Punxsutawney Peaches.
Do they have “Groundhog’s Day” over the pond? Some of these Atheists are Brits and Aussies.
We’ll have to ask Jasmine.
Doesn’t matter.
They are incapable of humor.
I too am curious as to the answer to the questions you keep avoiding yourself. You asked questions that Jeffrey answered simply and clearly. He asked your your thoughts on the matter and you proceeded to dance prettily. Mocking, false assumptions, failure show respect for people who choose to engage, that is not a good way to have a discussion on any topic.
But hey it’s your.little dance studio…
Enjoy. Dancing with Myself https://g.co/kgs/EAq8j8
There are plenty of insecure Christians who will let you Atheists sit at the judge’s table, with your arms folded like Simon Cowell, while they try to impress you with their talent. But that’s not me.
Personally, I don’t care what you think of my religion. You and your buddies were discussing the “moral/ethical” way to control populations, as if “morality/ethics” are something more significant than the product of mindless evolution.
Your beliefs about right and wrong come from a bunch of humans’ feelings over millions of years, right? Well, in that case, as Atheist Alex Rosenburg wrote, good and bad are just illusions. You want to do the “right” thing? Just flip a coin, like the Universe did! What does it matter?
The logo was created by the group’s founder who has created all the memes for the cover as well many of the memes found in the group.
The discussion you posted was part of a series created by one of the administrators, a collection of classic philosophical ethics questions designed to have people consider their views, the views of others, and what, if any solutions there may be.
Your attempt to redact and dismiss the many days of excellent discussion to populate your blog while completely misrepresentating the purpose of the discussion, fails to recognize the people who run the group, and is an example of creative laziness.
You could do so much better with a minimum of effort.
Sooo….
Atheists believe it’s wrong to steal, huh? Fascinating.
Nothing was stolen.
Apparently, the direct quote was “misrepresenting” though, atheistically speaking.
No, they’re saying that using something without permission is “theft.”
Apparently, if you don’t remove the logo, it threatens the survival of our species. LOL!
Do you suppose they’ll get around to discussing the content of the post or will they just keep complaining about being misrepresented?
I was hoping they would tear our beliefs apart!
…Yesterday the only thing that got torn was my sides.
Actually she did just address the content by stating that it was a series of questions to which members were to respond with their own views and solutions, but just like you overlooked all the comments when you posted just the thread topic here, you also overlooked that in her response. You don’t seem to have very good attention to detail
You are threatened by our not being happy with the unpermmited use of the group owners art, and our observation off your misrepresentating the ethical question posited in the piece Jeffrey set before our Facebook group of over 16,000 members and growing daily.
I find that quite curious. What is it about such ethical discussions frightens you so that you have to attempt to make yourself sound like the superior model in this insular setting of self gratification?
If I were threatened by your 16,000 member (and growing) group, I wouldn’t have mocked you.
If I were frightened by ethical discussions, I wouldn’t have left the comment section open.
Atheism poses no threat to my worldview and I’ll admit I find that quite gratifying.
I don’t suppose it could affect your view when you reword everything to fit your views. Your manipulation of words is of a very high level I will admit, making minor alterations the average reader wouldn’t pick up that change the meaning of something entirely. I have been watching preachers do this my entire life though and am quite used to it. I pity the people that you mislead.
Rather than pity them, why not educate them!
Feel free to redirect the people I am misleading with your own brand of manipulation. The floor is yours.
If you weren’t threatened by us, you wouldn’t have made a point of trying to mock, belittle, deride and lie about us either. But apparently the original piece struck a nerve, which is why you ran straight here.
I’m just disappointed that your rebuttal wasn’t better done. That’s what I get for being optimistic about such things, the lack of originality. I keep hoping, one day…
If it helps you sleep at night to think I’m threatened by you then have at it.
You’re welcome to defend your position. I don’t block or edit comments. You’re welcome to “tear my beliefs apart”.
So far, your 16,000 member group has been represented by whiners. Is that why you’re disappointed?
Why yes, Atheists don’t need a book and the threat of hell to be moral. Perhaps you should try it
You’re new around here, Jeffrey.
You might want to take a look around before you say more stuff. Hard as it is to believe, we’ve actually thought about these things before.
LOL!
So where does YOUR morality come from?
From my compassion for my fellow humans.
Where does the compassion come from?
For the record…I tried to warn him.
JB,
just give him a minute to warm up! The belief-tearing will start any minute!
(So far, things are looking really embarassing for anyone who worships the god of genocide or attending the church-against-birthcontrol… I’m sure he’s almost ready to explain where his morality comes from.)
“If there was no god, would you run into the streets and rape everyone?”
It’s always Groundhog Day Atheistically speaking.
Plus side: we have now added “Atheistically Speaking” to our lexicon. THAT’S different from yesterday, before I got the best phone call of the week from a butthurt, anti-God troll.
…I hope they don’t tear my belief apart.
I determine that myself. So are you saying without your religion you would be completely immoral? If you discovered today that there is no god would you then run into the streets murdering and raping? If so, you are not a good person
Try to keep up, Jeffy:
You determine what “compassion” is, and then YOU determine that you’re a great human for having “compassion” for other humans? Is that right?
No, you try to keep up, you haven’t answered my questions yet. You keep deflecting. Typical theistic method.
I know you’re a fan of rules, Atheistically Speaking, so you should know the rules here:
I ask the questions.
If you can’t demonstrate you’re a good thinker, we will not have a conversation at all. I’ll simply laugh at you.
Soooo, the question was, “You determine what’s ‘compassionate’ and then you determine that you’re a good human for being ‘compassionate?’ Is that correct?”
So, If you aren’t allowed to lead the conversation your way and manipulate it then you will pack up your toys and go home and nobody gets to play. Got it 🙂
and no, I do not determine that I am good because I am compasionate, I simply treat others in a way that I would like to be treated and try to help when i can. I do not need a preacher or book to tell me that. Now your turn Do you get your morality from a god who would allow satan to kill all of his most faithful followers children just to win a bet?
I’m Caillech Bheur, owner of Atheistically speaking.
You have used my Copyrighted image, without permission.
Please delete the image immediately, or I will have no choice but to begin legal proceedings.
Many thanks.
Did I not reply to your voicemail fast enough Cailleach?
Sorry about that, Buddy.
What is “Fair Use”, Alex?
https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107
Correct! Would you like Internet Trolling for $1000?
Answer: An Atheist, linked here, is very very proud of his photo-editing patchwork skills. https://www.facebook.com/groups/237652539901177/permalink/638350763164684/
You have not removed the logo. Why not? Using someone else’s intellectual property without their permission is theft.
This kind of convoluted incoherence from nihilists and atheists makes my head hurt. Thanks for the healing balm of pointing that out in a comedic way. Better than aspirin.
I’m really surprised that war was not given as a solution to over population. You know, resources get scarce, people who are used to having more than they need are suddenly inconvenienced by running out of stuff, they get mad as a group, and the problem of over-consumption gets fixed. That’s heathen morality in action!
That’s hilarious!
Ha! Love that picture at the top. I often refer to atheism as vampirism, trying to suck the life blood out of people. I mean that with all mercy, grace, and potential forgiveness, but it is what it is. Emotional and spiritual vampires. They often think they’re special, really intelligent,but every last one of them is going to arrive at the logical conclusion that mankind is a stain that should be removed. Then they will proceed to rationalize how to thin the herd, how get rid of us in a “moral” way. Flat out, you either put your faith in Jesus,in life and life abundant, or you will soon begin to worship death. There is no limbo land, no lukewarm place in between. Bertrand Russell really taught me that one. He was really good at rationalizing away our own existence and justifying murder, extinction, eliminating the human stain.
I’ve been told we can create purpose for ourselves by sheer will-power. If I declare my life to be meaningful, then meaning appears from the ether. I don’t know how the heathen justify eliminating people who deem their own lives meaningful but I’m sure they’ve thought through all that. They are, as you said, very intelligent people.
“the logical conclusion that mankind is a stain that should be removed.”
“you either put your faith in Jesus, in life and life abundant, or you will soon begin to worship death.”
“He was really good at rationalizing away our own existence and justifying murder, extinction, eliminating the human stain.”
Fair go, you actually believe what you wrote? You sound like a messed up terrorist.
IB, if you’re wondering why Sklyjd is commenting on this, almost a month after it was posted, please refer to the newest post “There is No Justice.”
Consider the political angle:
1. Leftists are primarily atheistic.
2. Atheists like this think “Thinning the herd” to help humanity evolve is a good thing.
3. This is what Hitler was doing. Hitler was “helping evolution and thinning the herd.”
4. This is nothing like what Trump is doing. Trump has made steps against abortion. He has not even SPOKEN in favor of genocide, let alone moved to make it happen.
5. Leftists condemn Trump by calling him “The new Hitler.”
6. Thus, I suggest we replace the symbol for the democratic party- the donkey (unironically, the “Ass”) – to a new and more appropriate symbol- worms on roller skates.
But, Bryan, this Atheist wasn’t talking about thinning the herd! He very clearly said he WASN’T ADVOCATING all of those suggestions he made. So… Clearly he was just putting letters together, randomly, as his genes dictated. And YOU assumed he had some other reason for it.
Also, just to clarify, I am NOT advocating the use of mockery toward the non-religious.
To clarify, I AM advocating mockery of the non-religious.
It has scared the majority of them off this blog which makes the comment section pleasant and productive.
My comment is just a little something to stir the waters and make people think. It’s a question of Ethics and Morals (and I’m sure responses will be all over the scale), but I’m seriously curious what the response will be…
What are your views on mocking Atheists AND WHY?
Here are a few ways you could mock Atheists:
*Sarcasm
*Insterting “lol” somewhere in your comments
*Quoting their words back to them
Again, I’m NOT ADVOCATING THIS APPROACH. I’m just making a few suggestions for ways we COULD mock Atheists if we decided to take that approach.
Lol.
We regulate the conversations with other believers using methods such as sarcasm and satire but we act like everyone has the right to participate in the discussion even when their contributions are “content free”.
So the moral/ethical question is, “Do we tell the heathen they’re stupid knowing they are thin-skinned crybabies or do we pretend they have a coherent message and thank them for sharing?”
Sorry, I can’t answer that question because I’m a Nihilist.
…that means I’m trying to save the planet from the Religious Folks.
Sometimes I worry about how easily you slip into the atheist POV.
I think if we eradicated all self-proclaimed Nihilist it would thin the population out sufficiently.
Maybe you should put a different picture at the top. I read the screenshot before reading your explanation of what it is, (And then the screenshot appears again at the bottom.)
Fixed it.
I accidentally renamed the featured image. Thanks!
I get sick when I see articles by atheists on population control to save the planet.
I believed that horseshit in the early 70s, but have luckily been saved from that propaganda.
I think the ones who passionately espouse the ideas of sterilization of anyone outside their group, murder, etc. should heroically volunteer to go first to “save the planet” and eliminate themselves.
It might not save the planet, but it might have rescued the people who have died or never had the chance to be born (abortion/sterilization) under their dictatorship. I believe a great many of those destroyed and would be destroyed would have had the opportunity to make a significant contribution to our world, greater than what the death and destruction crew have “contributed”.
The arguments for the sterilization and euthanasia practiced on our pets and indoctrinated into our society started there, to make the idea more acceptable to society as a whole. Hey, if we can handily kill our elderly or sick pets when they start messing or need extra care, then knocking off Grandma when she needs Depends and help, is a “kindness”, too.
We would have a much kinder, gentler, more wonderful world without the ones who want to kill and destroy. Someday, we will have it.
I’m so thankful to know, and love, our Creator Who loves and wants each one of us. He thinks there is room for us. If we all shared and played nicely among ourselves, there would be.
This stuff is promoted by the most unethical, immoral, powerful and greedy among us.
There was a great piece written by a wonderful Brazilian doctor, whose mission is to save lives, help people heal without Big Pharma, and expose the evil promoted by Bill Gates, etc… (I’ll see if I can find it.)
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